Log file opened at: 3/17/02 2:24:56 AM rsw: wtf was what all about? rsw: you've always known i dislike no ff CreeD: it goes from a peaceful, normal game of quake, to some out of the blue sky bit on teamplay 1, which you haven't brought up in forever, to "let's attack creed and call him a big whiner, clo was right" . .. fucking, I don't need that. rsw: when you have a fucking 120 ping advantage PLUS no ff, it wears on after a while CreeD: sorry you don't like it, but christ, it's not the reason you died four times straight. that's quake, spawn kills and cheese. CreeD: FF IS NOT AN ADVANTAGE TO ME/. rsw: sure it is CreeD: jesus, it's like saying the time limit in VF favors akira, when really he's just akira. CreeD: if I have a ping advantage, it's ping advantage. FF has zip to do with anything. rsw: no ff is not an advantage to you rsw: give me a fucking break rsw: you cannot play the same way CreeD: nor can you, or sal. rsw: for instance, you can't spawn frag someone four times in a row unscathed CreeD: neither can you. rsw: if ff is there, i know where you are, and i know you're hurting rsw: no shit CreeD: anything you claim I can do, you can do. rsw: more thinking, more strategy CreeD: so none of this "it's an unfair edge" rsw: it's total stupidity CreeD: yeah, I see where you're going with this. rsw: well, + ping it is CreeD: I'm better at mindless blasting, but in a strategic game I lose right? CreeD: whatever, fuck that. It's an excuse rich, be a man and acknowledge that. rsw: i didn't say that, i wasn't going to say that, but if you want to draw that conclusion and say it yourself, fine CreeD: *snort* rsw: it's a valid excuse rsw: anyway CreeD: "well 'IIII wasn't going to say it'" CreeD: but! rsw: news flash! not everyone thinks the same way you do! CreeD: you have yet to tell me how something that affects us equally somehow puts rich williams specifically at a disadvantage. rsw: for the fucking fifth time CreeD: you can argue that I play better with it, but so what. That's got nothing to do with how well YOU play, that's how well I play. rsw: +120 ping and able to blast away with abandon, it helps CreeD: no, wrong, +120 ping helps CreeD: blasting with abandon helps us equally rsw: bullshit it does CreeD: you act like they're inseparably tied together. Ping + teamplay = creed on top! CreeD: there is no "ping + teamplay" factor rsw: i play the same way when i have no armor CreeD: it's purely "ping" rsw: if i have no armor then anything goes CreeD: what's your point? rsw: but i shoot and play the same way when i do have armor rsw: comes back to strategy rsw: you shouldn't be rewarded for stupidity CreeD: ... my blowing away your 100 health before you can blow away my 100 health is not "stupidity" CreeD: it's also not bullshit CreeD: or luck CreeD: or teamplay1 CreeD: or whatever other fucking thing you want to say. rsw: why don't you try it? CreeD: why don't we play deathmatch 1 while we're at it? after all, DM3 is also for pussies, right? rsw: like clo said...skewed. "no ff makes no difference at all!" 'so try it' "no" rsw: deatmatch 1 is fine rsw: i like it CreeD: sure, it's a blast. hoard, armor camp. One guy gets a decent lead and the other two guys can't catch up. rsw: wahh wahh rsw: you can deal with it CreeD: wahh wahh, so you can deal with this. rsw: i did, i fucking have it recorded CreeD: as if there's anything to 'deal' with. rsw: and oh, like hoarding doesn't happen in mode 3 CreeD: that's facetious, we both know that hoarding the lonely ammo on DM6 and making sure nobody can even get a RL is completely different. CreeD: as for you skewed comment, I acknowledge I play better on mode 3. We played mode one on clo and I asked to play mode 3. Again, it's nothing unfair, I just play better on that mode. rsw: like area control (call it a euphemism if you want, but there's a difference) doesn't happen no matter what the mode rsw: well hey no shit CreeD: so what's your problem with my playing better? Don't like the added challenge? Can't stand to see anyone else leading? rsw: the fucking 'lpb rape the high ping's and play only in his ballpark entirely to his favor and groan and whine and refuse everything else - ff, public servers, 1on1' show is getting to me rsw: you're playing better in your own fucking ballpark with 100% better ping, and rules that you favor CreeD: ONE rule. rsw: ok rsw: you're playing better in your own fucking ballpark with 100% better ping, and a rule that you favor rsw: well actually rsw: you never try mode 1 unless you want to fuck around with us, too rsw: like that other night, which i have recorded CreeD: can't you see where this is heading? Don't you recognize this for what it is? This is you blowing off steam after 4 or 5 spawn kills, same as anyone else does, including me and clo. Out of all of us, sal is the only one who doesn't engage in this. But we do it time and time again. rsw: i am blowing off steam, but even if i hadn't lost i would have said the same thing, maybe with less swearing rsw: i did mean to bring it up rsw: rather, hadn't gotten pissed off rsw: i had a lot of fun when i first started playing, but reality hit quick later on, and from then on i've had to deal with whatever i was given, _including_ getting reamed and really pissed off, even on equal grounds CreeD: since we've been playing on my server, you've won more than anyone else given the right equipment (cable). To me, that undercuts pretty hard any complaints about teamplay 1. Why can't you be satisfied that you are either A: playing your best but can't overcome the lag or B: not at your best tonight? Why even bring up teamplay? Regardless of your 'you can't spawn frag me 4 times...' comment, teamplay1 and deathmatch three are the most spawn friendly ru rsw: from that, the total, absolute desire to try ANYTHING different, whether it's servers, 1on1 (no one here? fuck off! bye!), just grates on me rsw: even if i WAS at my best tonight it wouldn't have mattered rsw: and like i said before rsw: i PLAY THE SAME WAY when ff is on rsw: the ONLY difference is no armor CreeD: shrug, your choice. adapt. rsw: hey, here's something - why don't YOU try to adapt? CreeD: because I'm the big mean server admin who stacks all the chips in his favor. rsw: shitty attitude Log file closed at: 3/17/02 2:49:32 AM Log file opened at: 3/17/02 2:51:05 AM CreeD: anyway! Recall that when we first started playing, I had teamplay 1 as a default, and within two seconds of joining the server, I see CREED. TEAMPLAY. ... and I obligingly switched out and turned it off. And we did this for many, many sessions. Then eventually I dunno if you just gave up or what. CreeD: but if it matters, I never put teamplay1 on thinking "yeah, now I can have half a chance" CreeD: I only estimate my chances by ping and what kind of day I'm having. rsw2: yeah, i just gave up CreeD: so anyway, my point is I was willing to play teamplay 0 for many sessions, and (no surprise) I didn't like it, so I left my config alone and took every chance I could to play with teamplay 1. I hate to use the "it's my house and my rules blah blah blah" type of argument, but really, I can't say that I'm going to change it anytime soon. Especially since it really doesn't handicap you in the least. You playing with brains isn't going to somehow matter l rsw2: look i know what tell said about quake "seemingly only worth playing to piss off the other guy as much as possible" isn't too far from the truth, and i can understand your end and probably would like it just as much, but i just wish you would try new things rsw2: i had to stick with whatever was shoved in my face and i learned to deal with it rsw2: creed, learn to use the return button more often rsw2: Especially since it really doesn't handicap you in the least. You playing with brains isn't going to somehow matter l CreeD: weird, small buffer. CreeD: ess thanks to that particular setting. CreeD: anyway, I'm up for some changes. I rarely change the map because you don't like dm2 and tell usually spanks us on dm4, and dm1, 3, and 5 are jokes. rsw2: it does matter, because the other guys won't get away with murder rsw2: dm3 on ffa is ok rsw2: a fucking joke for 1on1 rsw2: i dunno why people like dm3 CreeD: gah, get away with murder... it's nothing you can't get away with either. I know that's a tired argument, but no less true. rsw2: i hate that map CreeD: it's great for teamplay, the clan matches look like fun. rsw2: even on teamplay.. CreeD: well, with communication, me and you vs. tell and ... clo level or higher... I can see it being really fun. CreeD: it's sort of ass having to hit the same room for all three good weapons tho. rsw2: creed, this is circular - it's nothing i can't get away with, but i don't play like they would in the first place rsw2: i don't need to CreeD: you don't take full advantage of it is what you're saying? rsw2: you don't need to take full advantage of it in the first place CreeD: anyway, yes it is circular. Your argument is that creed would/should get fewer kills because teamplay lets him get nobrainer frags. My argument is that rich should focus on getting more kills for himself rather than fewer for me. rsw2: creed i would perform the same with ff on as well as off rsw2: i don't NEED to run up and smack the guy - i could, but you're just as likely to kill if you aim it well CreeD: yes yes but you acknowledge that for practical purposes, the game is even up EXCEPT for ping. If I somehow get a lot of kills and you don't, either chalk it up to ping, or alter the way you're playing to match whatever it is I do, whether it's shooting at the floor in front of me or whatever. rsw2: well even if i said it was even, how can i focus on getting more kills when the ping is so skewed? rsw2: i'm doing the best i can but at a point it's just useless rsw2: it's at that point and well over it on your server CreeD: that's not worth going down that road. You accept that you're on a modem or don't play. rsw2: that's no road rsw2: just don't fucking tell me to "focus on getting more kills" when you know that's just such a throwaway line CreeD: whatever you want to call it. It's an unalterable and inescapeable fact, short of you talking me into playing on your server. It's not worth two words of discussion. rsw2: and i do accept it, i stil play rsw2: you're going down the road, i'm not CreeD: throwaway line, fine, it's vague. How's this for specific: "blend 1. what you do correctly on teamplay 1 or 0 and 2. The murder you claim I get away with on teamplay 1 and that should equal more kills for rsw. CreeD: that's great phrasing, I hope you parse it. rsw2: can't quite rsw2: doesn't matter CreeD: I'm basically saying if I'm somehow getting more kills than I usually would thanks to teamplay 1, while you're getting marginal or no returns from teamplay 1.... .. . then emulate whatever I'm doing and you will have more kills. Don't worry about whether you think it's stupid or cheesy or whatever. Fire at the ground right in front of you, chase the other guy and fire pointblank rather than aiming. rsw2: anyway like i said before, even if i wasn't pissed about tonight i was gonna bring the whole thing up eventually - let's just try new stuff, it's getting stale CreeD: sure, 'let's try new stuff' is much more likely to catch my attention in a -good- way than "@!#!#@!# teamplay" CreeD: I'm up for new stuff. Log file closed at: 3/17/02 3:11:46 AM