[5:31am] dodee: har har har [5:32am] Ellinas: the reflection of the chain seems too intense [5:32am] rsw: it was good to have it turned back on it, which has been happening more than usual [5:32am] rsw: another beatdown for the log page [5:32am] Quits: rsw (foops@user-2ive7cg.dialup.mindspring.com) (Leaving) [5:32am] Ellinas: but otherwise, that is really really awesome [5:32am] dodee sets mode: +b *!*@*.dialup.mindspring.com [5:32am] dodee: whoops [5:32am] Ellinas: haha [5:32am] Moebius^: LOL * Retrieving #vfhome info... [5:33am] dodee: how's that for a beatdown, sucker? [5:33am] now now kids. [5:33am] dodee: matt, you toucha that, I breaka you face [5:33am] dodee: *no one* would, or should tolerate that shit [5:33am] you got the last word with the ha ha ban, but seriously, it's time to drop it. [5:33am] dodee: I'll drop it as soon as he quits fucking riding me [5:33am] dude, you're not seriously gonna ban him over THAT are you?! [5:33am] dodee: yes I am [5:34am] dodee: I've pointed out to him on numerous occaisons to watch his tone when speaking to me or about me. that's only civil [5:34am] dodee: he goes out of his way to shit on me and things related [5:34am] sorry, but that's straight op abuse. Both of you argued for hours, neither of you dropped it, and neither of you was hardcore bitchier than the others. [5:34am] dodee: I've told him at least twice that the diction used on his shitbag log page irritates me [5:34am] dodee: so he uses it as a parting shot [5:34am] as explained before, were it SOLELY rich it mgiht be going out of his way [5:35am] but THREE PEOPLE disagreed, not just rich [5:35am] dodee: THREE PEOPLE didn't go out of their way to shit on me [5:35am] dodee: one did [5:35am] rich's diction with the word 'violently' is just how he phrases thing. [5:35am] dodee: and it's the same idiot that has done so historically [5:35am] dodee: matt, I cant believe you're saying this [5:35am] dodee: this is the same argument you had with unc [5:35am] dodee: rich KNOWS that irritates the fuck out of me [5:35am] Ellinas: rsw/bungle/rich used to irritate the shit outta me reading his posts on vfdc, the way he talks. but somehow i think i've gotten used to it [5:35am] dodee: THAT is what the ban is for [5:35am] Ellinas: makes me laugh now [5:36am] dodee: ellinas: I've been dealing with it for over 6 years [5:36am] dodee: you'll come back around to the hate, trust me [5:36am] sigh, fine, rich is an asshole. Even I admit to that. But going to your example, did I ban uncauzi for his diction, which I assure you irritated the fuck out of me? [5:36am] Ellinas: as long as he doesnt talk to me directly, i'm sure i won't [5:36am] no, I discussed it with him for a while, declined numerous invitations to ban [5:36am] and eventually dropped it [5:36am] Ellinas: and i seem to be good at getting ignored for the most part :D [5:36am] dodee: has unc done it for 6 months and have you requested him to stop doing it, and he's done it anyway? [5:36am] dodee: no [5:36am] maybe even conceding I could possibly be in some weird way wrong, which is something you BADLY need to learn how to do steve [5:36am] dodee: therein lies the reason for the ban [5:37am] because for every perceived bait you see from rich [5:37am] it's ten times the bait in rich's eyes when dodee refuses to ever even remotely concede that a disagreement is valid. [5:37am] dodee: at this point, anything rich says that starts with "dodee:" and has tone to it is bait. [5:37am] Ellinas: i have a friend a lot like him [5:37am] Ellinas: way i deal with it is... [5:37am] god, I can't believe we gotta put this to a vote, there's only like 2 ppl awake. [5:38am] dodee: bingo. [5:38am] dodee: strategy. [5:38am] Ellinas: i just value him really really low... [5:38am] ellinas: maintain rich ban, yes, no? [5:38am] Ellinas: so i don't care about anything he says that would make me mad [5:38am] Ellinas: well [5:38am] just a vote, don't feel like anyone will slay you for a yes or no. [5:38am] Ellinas: i very much disagree with banning ppl while in an argument [5:38am] and is anyone else awake and reading this shit? [5:38am] Ellinas: which the friend i'm talking about has done.... [5:38am] dodee: I dind't ban him in an argument [5:38am] dodee: I banned him after [5:38am] Ellinas: pissed me off a lot [5:38am] semantics dodee. [5:38am] Ellinas: well yeah [5:38am] dodee: the whole argument is ABOUT semantics [5:39am] Ellinas: haha, true [5:39am] Ellinas: seems all the arguments here [5:39am] dodee: don't cloud the issue, you know what ellinas is trying to say. [5:39am] Ellinas: are about semantics [5:39am] Ellinas: even if it's not your intention to seem so [5:39am] Ellinas: it makes you look childish [5:39am] dodee: I could care, seriously [5:39am] you didn't seem inclined to ban until rich got off a parting shot and then quit IRC. Which I think offended your sense of "I must win every argument and have the last word" [5:39am] Ellinas: this, from my neutral observer point of view :D [5:39am] that was effectively the only way to have the last word [5:39am] but it was a cheap one. [5:39am] dodee: yeah, and it worked [5:40am] dodee: and what? [5:40am] dodee: it's a respect issue [5:40am] Ellinas: just ignore him [5:40am] dodee: no [5:40am] Ellinas: stop throwing him bait [5:40am] respect or not, we appear to have 2-1 against the ban. [5:40am] anyone else awake? [5:40am] dodee: that's not the rules [5:40am] dodee: the rules is opped people [5:40am] ok. [5:40am] dodee: not conscious opped people [5:40am] Ellinas: well, i don't think a vote should have to be made [5:40am] any opped people? [5:41am] ellinas: yeah, unfortunately it does :/ [5:41am] Ellinas: but angry people don't think coherently [5:41am] dodee: I'm thinking entirely coherently [5:41am] Ellinas: that's what i always say [5:41am] Ellinas: when i'm mad [5:41am] dodee: the ban was deliberate and thought out [5:41am] Ellinas: every single time [5:41am] dodee: I'm sound of mind [5:41am] Ellinas: tomorrow you prolly won't be mad [5:41am] dodee: I wont be mad but I'll still want him banned [5:42am] to me this is a no-brainer. Both arguers were bitchy and threw every argument in the book and refused to back down. I honestly can't see what rich did above-and-beyond aside from use the phrase 'violently unimpressed' [5:42am] dodee: his "summary" [5:42am] dodee: that was OBVIOUSLY a shot [5:42am] everything following that was reactionary, with bitchiness ramping up in direct proportion to the other person's phrases [5:42am] dodee: as was proven by your oh-so-encouraging LOL [5:42am] Ellinas: i think you're just taking it too seriously [5:43am] dodee: I respond bitchily towards blantant lack of respect [5:43am] we all use the summary as an argument tactic, and I swear to you by all that is holy I typed that lol a second before I saw the summary. It was in response to "doom" comment. [5:43am] Ellinas: i say stuff like that to my friends all the time [5:43am] Ellinas: nobody takes it seriously [5:43am] dodee: and I don mean "yes sir" respect [5:43am] I used the summary earlier in fact [5:43am] iirc [5:43am] Ellinas: it's a joke [5:43am] dodee: I mean mutual human being respect [5:43am] dodee: that's with your FRIENDS [5:43am] dodee: rich is not my friend [5:43am] Ellinas: then u shouldnt talk to him [5:43am] dodee: I wasn't talking to him specifically [5:43am] well if we're on the topic of human being respect, you broke out "you're all stupid" and "rich the bitch williams" and the blatantly snotty "oh now here goes matt the expert" comments. [5:44am] dodee: until he shit on me [5:44am] dodee: then he got both barrells [5:44am] dodee: well matt, to use your own words against you [5:44am] you should be decent and call it even, I could take those comments a LOT harder than I have. [5:44am] Ellinas: maybe you should make it clear you don't want to talk to him [5:44am] Ellinas: and if all else fails... ignore [5:44am] dodee: my "yo're all stupid" is no snottier and uncharacteristicly playful than rich's "violently" [5:44am] dodee: and my rich the bitch was AFTER his initial calling out [5:45am] Ellinas: neither of them seemed serious at all to me [5:45am] dodee: and I admit my dissing you was out of line [5:45am] dodee: my "you're all stupid" wasn't serious [5:45am] ok, with that admission, you owe me a favor =) [5:45am] dodee: nope/ [5:45am] dodee: he can sit by himself for a while [5:46am] dodee: when people call me out, I answer it. then when MORE people support the guy that called me out, that just fuels the fire [5:46am] Ellinas: asking for a favor after getting an admission of wrongness is useless [5:46am] Ellinas: hehe [5:46am] dodee: so "ganging up" on me will *never* work [5:46am] seriously, look yourself over and tell me that if rich hadn't put in his snooty last word and then quit IRC, robbing you of any chance to fire back, then you would not have banned. [5:46am] am I right? [5:46am] dodee: yeah, you're right [5:46am] dodee: no soul-searching necessary [5:46am] dodee: it's petty [5:46am] dodee: but the high road gets nowhere with him [5:46am] dodee: so fuck him [5:46am] dodee: he can sit outside [5:47am] dodee: until rich learns to stop singling me out, he's gonna get slapped from time to time [5:47am] Quits: Bunkei (benjamin@adsl-65-65-201-15.dsl.stlsmo.swbell.net) (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) [5:47am] Ellinas: i doubt banning him will discourage him [5:47am] dodee: I'm sorry his life sucks and is ultimately pointless, really. [5:47am] it's still a democracy dude. You can argue til you're blue in the face that he shits on you, and you could even be right, but he doesn't shit on me and doesn't shit on a half dozen others in here, so I think it's fair to say #vfhome wants his company even if Dodee does not. [5:47am] dodee: but that doesn't give him license to fuck with me [5:48am] if you want the ban to sit until more ops are awake, I can't do much about that, and I'm too tired to argue it further. [5:48am] dodee: I'm all for democracy [5:48am]Joins: Bunkei (benjamin@adsl-65-65-201-171.dsl.stlsmo.swbell.net) 20 users: [5:48am] Ellinas: honestly, why not ignore him? [5:48am] dodee: and I'm telling you, the ban can get lifted however many times [5:48am] dodee: I'm *still* gonna screw him up if he calls me out [5:48am] ellinas: it feels like conceding something to the other guy. I can say that because that's what people said I should do with uncauzi. [5:48am] dodee: ellinas, because I'd rather trounce him for saying something than have him spout slander unchecked [5:49am] it's like giving up, the other guy can keep being irritating. [5:49am] Ellinas: banning is more of a concession [5:49am] dodee: I'm not giving him a fucking inch [5:49am] Ellinas: seems like you can't deal with him [5:49am] Ellinas: so you just boot him out [5:49am] Ellinas: it's childish [5:49am] dodee: reverse psychology will get you nowhere [5:49am] dodee: I've already admitted it's petty [5:49am] well petty bans have no place here dude. [5:49am] Ellinas: reverse psychology me? [5:49am] you wanna be petty, prank call him when he's sound asleep [5:49am] dodee: hah [5:50am] but don't have your pettiness mess with other people, which it's doing. [5:50am] Ellinas: i'm neutral here [5:50am] dodee: rich is fine 90% of the time [5:50am] dodee: the 10% is fucking with someone [5:50am] dodee: that't he 10% that gets banned [5:50am] Ellinas: see, again, that's the problem i have with my friend [5:50am] Ellinas: he just gets gay sometimes [5:50am] Ellinas: so i just don't talk to him [5:50am] Ellinas: until he gets un-gay [5:50am] Ellinas: and it works [5:50am] dodee: I'm fine coexisting with rich [5:51am] dodee: the 10% of the time he fucks with people, it's you, right? [5:51am] dodee: I dont want to talk to him [5:51am] dodee: I'd love to say that it's all targetted at me, but I know it isn't [5:51am] dodee: too much of it is [5:51am] there IS a reason for it, it's not arbitrary. [5:51am] dodee: oh please. what's the reason? [5:52am] obviously rich feels you deserve a little shit. Why? maybe something you said to him in the past, maybe the way you conduct yourself during arguments, maybe even just the things you say day to day [5:52am] dodee: too fucking bad [5:52am] nah it doesn't work like that. [5:52am] dodee: I dont go out of my way to call ANYONE out [5:52am] dodee: rich does [5:52am] I argued that uncauzi does and he's still here [5:53am] dodee: and unc conceeded that he's a prick [5:53am] dodee: and ou came to terms [5:53am] dodee: soon as rich does that, I wont screw him up [5:53am] I've heard rich call himself a dick on rare occasion... you've never seen that? [5:53am] maybe it's always in /msg [5:53am] dodee: I've told him innumerable times to pick a new target, cause I will get increasinly defensive about it [5:53am] dodee: I'm not gonna take a whipping every few nights cause rich is a fuck [5:54am] he can't just pick a new target, it's you specifically he's irritated with. [5:54am] dodee: then HE is the one with the problem [5:54am] Ellinas: don't feed the troll man [5:54am] Ellinas: you keep responding, getting angry, he'll keep coming [5:54am] Ellinas: a ban isnt going to do shit [5:54am] Ellinas: whoo wee, banned from a channel [5:54am] dodee: you're TELLING ME that he goes out of his way to fuck with me [5:54am] dodee: that's gonna make me soften up on him? [5:54am] dodee: uh, no [5:54am] dodee: tht's gonna make me keep him banned [5:55am] Ellinas: somebody has to be more mature to end this [5:55am] dodee: dare I suggest he's not? Rich feels that you have an ego on irc and that you get worked up in debates over piddling stuff . I can see where he's coming from. [5:55am] dodee: let him think I have an ego [5:55am] dodee: hell, I'll say I have an ego [5:55am] dodee: why is it his job to regulate that? [5:55am] dodee: it isn't [5:55am] dodee: he needs to get a fucking life [5:55am] dodee: I *only* mess with people that start with me [5:56am] Ellinas: a ban will do more harm than good [5:56am] dodee: you dont see me go "hey bunkei you fucking idiot!" [5:56am] he can't help but be offended when you say something like "You're all dumb" in response to what is simply a subjective disagreement [5:56am] I was offended by that. [5:56am]Parts: Moebius^ (~Ryo_Saeba@dsc05.sei-wa-1-36.rasserver.net) 19 users: [5:56am] dodee: "subjective disagreements" aren't "violently unimpresive" [5:56am] dodeE: sure they are [5:56am] dodee: "that's just rich" [5:56am] dodee: well "you're all stupid" is just dodee [5:56am] dodee: if rich can pull that BS card, so can I [5:57am] Ellinas: yeah, and i don't see why an argument came out of this [5:57am] Ellinas: if both of you didnt mean it to be offensive [5:57am] it's not the same. violently unimpressed was NOT directed at dodee, and wasn't really insulting. Sure, in a backhanded way, you can take it to mean 'what impressed dodee a lot doesn't do shit for rich, therefore dodee is naive/unsophisticated/dumb/whatever" [5:57am] dodee: because I'm sick of rich's tone [5:57am] but that's far les direct than "you're all dumb" [5:57am] dodee: and I've told him numerous times to not use that tone at me [5:58am] dodee: of COURSE that is what rich meant [5:58am] we all know how perfectly tone carries on irc. [5:58am] dodee: jesus christ [5:58am] dodee: you JUST got done telling me he thinks it's his job [5:58am] dodee: then out the other side of your mouth you're saying he dind't mean it that way [5:58am] dodee: fucking pick one [5:59am] no, I didn't. Let me give a more clear example. Rich and I recently squabbled. I didn't ban him, but I did end up putting him on ignore. Why? because of a conversation that went like [5:59am] dodee: i've said IN THE CHANNEL many times "rich, lay off me" [5:59am] how'd you do in maryland? [5:59am] good... several 20 win streaks [5:59am] dodee: maybe if people didn't cut him so much fucking slack he wouldn't be a dick all the time? [5:59am] that's like saying you beat sal with 16 vs 600 ping in quake duels. [5:59am] now you KNOW rich has nothing personal on me [5:59am] dodee: it's fucking appeasement [5:59am] dodee: screw that [5:59am] I may be the closest thing he's got to a good buddy [6:00am] so was it intentionally made to rile me? was it personal? [6:00am] dodee: matt, you KNOW you two dont have the same history as rich and I do [6:00am] Ellinas: see, i don't see how that's insulting at all [6:00am] Ellinas: how that could start an argument [6:00am] Ellinas: that sounds like a joke to me [6:00am] hell no, it's just rich's shitty, tactless way of expressing his opinion with no regard to diction [6:00am] dodee: and have you TOLD him numerous times to NOT say shit like that to you? [6:00am] dodee: if he cant respect that, I'm gonna kick his ass on here, case closed [6:00am] Ellinas: well, if he talks to everybody else that way [6:01am] dodee: I haven't had to often, but I've had to. I had to with GLC too and with GLC, that was that. [6:01am] dodee: glc actually quit doing it when you told him to [6:01am] dodee: there's a difference [6:01am] dodee: but that basis for your ban is this whole "it's NOT just rich being rich it's personal" [6:01am] Ellinas: i figure it'll make him feel like he's making a concession [6:01am] but that example shows it's NOT personal [6:01am] dodee: it IS personal [6:01am] dodee: you just said that [6:01am] rich is really just that tactless at phrasing things [6:01am] dodee: I've told him not to talk to me like that [6:02am] dodee: and I have the means and motivation to ensure he doesn't. [6:02am] no, I'm using the vague hypothesizing method of trying to get you to try a little introspection. "Why might rich not like me" "why does he jump on my case specifically" [6:02am] dodee: I d-o-n-t c-a-r-e [6:03am] I don't think he was in his 'violently' case.. his 'violently unimpressed' was actually less specific and less offensive than what he said to me with 'that's like beating up on retards' [6:03am] dodee: how often do you see me call out rich? [6:03am] dodee: it doesn't happen [6:03am] Ellinas: he seems to speak his mind [6:03am] Ellinas: always [6:03am] Ellinas: in whatever words come to him [6:03am] nobody's calling you out with 'violently'... you took it that way and it went very downhill from there. [6:03am] dodee: *any* time I've flown off the handle it was in reaction to someone else's comment [6:03am] Ellinas: seems like it's just who he is [6:03am] dodee: matty, we're going in circles [6:03am] dodee: I've told him not to use that language directly relating to me [6:03am] dodee: he did [6:03am] dodee: he got fucked up [6:04am] dodee: make another mark on the wall [6:04am] shrug, 'that language' as you put it is HARDLY banworthy [6:04am] dodee: if he cant respect basic human respect, he doesn't deserve to be here [6:04am] dodee: errrr [6:04am] any ensuing language is just argument related rather than unwarranted. [6:04am] Ellinas: maybe you were looking too hard for an excuse to get started / ban him / etc [6:04am] dodee: matty, diplomacy aside, you know he personally has a problem with me [6:05am] dodee: if he has an issue with me from some shit in the past, he needs to talk to me like a fucking adult about it [6:05am] dodee: not offer thinly vieled jabs [6:05am] I know he does, but had I posted that url I can tell you with NO BS and no agenda that he would have phrased it identically or nearly so. "uhh creed, I'm violently unimpressed by that" .. . I KNOW he would have. [6:05am] dodee: then diss on me for calling him on them [6:05am] it's not a specific issue so much as an impression. [6:06am] Ellinas: i don't know him, but i know his type i think [6:06am] dodee: ok, so a) we know rich really doesn't like me b) we know that dodee told rich to stop treating him like shit [6:06am] Ellinas: just like my friend [6:06am] dodee: yet he STILL does it [6:06am] Ellinas: and i have to agree [6:06am] dodee: why is it on ME to tolerate that? [6:06am] Ellinas: you're probably reading in to it too much [6:06am] he dislikes the way you argue, he probably dislikes your political views, your taste in music... but whatever, that's all petty shit right? It wasn't any of that which prompted "violently unimpressed" [6:06am] dodee: it's the straw that broke the camel's back metaphor [6:07am] dodee: I've told him time and time again to watch his fucking tone when he addresses me or something I've said [6:07am] dodee: so I'm supposed to get shit on regularly, just so he can be here and be crabby. [6:07am] dodee: yeah, good call [6:07am] you can't just say "I don't like his phrasing" without looking at the motive. That's what I was thinking and not wanting to admit when arguing with uncauzi. I went from 100% "he's fucking with me" to 65% "he's probably fucking with me" to .. . well he's probably not really fucking with me. [6:07am] dodee: wrong [6:07am] dodee: fuck his motive [6:08am] dodee: his movitve is an anti-dodee crusade [6:08am] it wasn't in that case, you have a hard time believing it, but it just wasn't. [6:09am] dodee: he's gotten me punchy enough about it that he could say "hey dodee, what's up" and I'd take it the wrong way [6:09am] dodee: that's his own fault [6:09am] dodee: you're refusing to see the history here [6:09am] dodee: it isn't an isolated incident [6:09am] dodee: it's fucking pathological [6:09am]Joins: tragic (~tragic@adsl-63-201-229-169.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) 20 users: [6:10am] I'm too tired to keep at this, it's 6 o' jesus christ o clock ... but you need to re-evaluate your shit here. An admittedly petty ban isn't gonna last on this channel, and by ten o' clock tomorrow, we should have a fair number of votes. [6:10am] dodee: and I'm telling you that as soon as he calls me out again, I'm gonna rape him [6:10am] Ellinas: ban = not a rape [6:10am] IF he does something blatantly dodee-specific ... hell even subtly dodee specific, feel free [6:11am] dodee: he can a) ignore me entirely b) treat me with some decency c) get the fuck on [6:11am] his parting shot was clearly dodee specific, I won't try to argue otherwise [6:11am] but that was reactionary [6:11am] the original violently wasn't dodee specific [6:11am] dodee: ok, so you've contradicted yourself in the span of 2 lines [6:11am] Ellinas: suppose he does want to "change" you won't even give him a shot [6:11am] no, I'm saying yes he got on your case personally [6:11am] but that was after 10000 lines of bitching [6:12am] but the line that started it all [6:12am] dodee: "An admittedly petty ban isn't gonna last on this channel, IF he does something blatantly dodee-specific ... hell even subtly dodee specific, feel free, his parting shot was clearly dodee specific, I won't try to argue otherwise" [6:12am] was not your case personally [6:12am] dodee: if he says something dodee specific it's ok to ban him, the parting shot was dodee specific but the ban isn't ok [6:13am] I just wanted to emphasize the difference between the 'violently' comment and the 'dodee beatdown' comment. Violently didn't have your name in it. And violently is what LED to the argument which has resulted in a ban [6:13am] dodee: violently directly addressed something I obviously liked [6:13am] if violently hadn't happened, or if you had handled it differently, the ban wouldn't be there [6:13am] sure, addressed to something you obviously liked [6:13am] dodee: so I guess he better not say shit like that, huh? [6:14am] just as "beating up retards" was addressed to something I was proud of [6:14am] dodee: now that we've ID'd the critical mass [6:14am] dodee: I'm telling you right now that I'm gonna interpret stuff he says 3x more anti-dodee than it is [6:14am] Ellinas: honestly do u really think he'll say "whoa, dodee might ban me again, i better watch myself" [6:14am] Ellinas: more likely it'll be, "lets see if i can get him to ban me" [6:14am] laff [6:14am] no, rich is hooked on irc elli [6:15am] he doesn't like bans any more than we do [6:15am] dodee: he needs to watch his fucking mouth [6:15am] dodee: and if he cant, I will for him [6:15am] Ellinas: the ban isnt going to stay tho, that's obvious [6:15am] Ellinas: bottom line is there's a whole bunch of ops in the channel and i don't think it would be right to ban him because of a personal problem with him, without discussing with the others [6:15am] dodee: if you talk to him, tell him treat me with a bit of respect and not call me out [6:15am] Ellinas: it's just an abuse of power [6:15am] dodee: even if he can even entirely ignore me, I dont care if he's here [6:16am] Ellinas: while rich/rsw/bungle mightve been a prick, you should keep the personal separate from the op powers and don't abuse it [6:16am] dodee: but I'm not gonna tolerate incessant slander [6:16am] dodee: shouldawouldacould [6:16am] dodee: +a [6:16am] dodee: you really dont know the backstory here, ell [6:16am] Ellinas: yeah i know [6:16am] dodee: he's done this for at least 6 months [6:16am] dodee: probably 9 [6:16am] dodee: at what point do you say enough's enough? [6:17am] ok, the next time I talk to him, I'll ask him not to phrase things like such a dick when he's talking to you. And I really have no problem with that, because didn't I just recently explain that I wished he'd been less inflammatory when giving me an opinion? [6:17am] dodee: if he cant play nice, and has been informed numerous times that what he does is shitty, what then? [6:17am] dodee: exactly [6:17am] Ellinas: then discuss with channel ops? [6:17am] dodee: that's all I'm saying [6:17am] dodee: half the [6:17am] Ellinas: but i really don't see how you can ban him just like that [6:17am] shitty's relative. I got irritated, but he's a friend and it didn't cross my mind to ban him over 'beating up retards' [6:17am] dodee: half the "ops" here are idle 90% of the tie [6:18am] dodee: he's no friend of mine [6:18am] or even when he takes to the next level with 'jesus, here's creed doing sensitive pms bullshit again' [6:18am] and 'oh fuck you creed' [6:18am] dodee: so why put up with that? [6:18am] because I know it's an argument, I know it'll die. [6:18am] Ellinas: man, i still don't get it [6:18am] dodee: christ, have some self respect [6:18am] Ellinas: why would that make u mad? [6:18am] and I give him just as much shit [6:18am] dodee: see, I dotn give him any shit till he starts it [6:18am] Ellinas: my friend called my mother a troll [6:18am] dodee: if I called him out EVER, I'd be more tolerant [6:18am] Ellinas: pissed me off the first time [6:18am] arguments are just like that, very very very few people are big enough to no name-call and such [6:18am] that means you. [6:19am] Ellinas: now i don't give a rats ass what he says [6:19am] dodee: I name call [6:19am] Ellinas: my mother, a troll!! [6:19am] so I shrug it off even as it happens, because it's an argument [6:19am] Ellinas: this is petty shit u guys have here [6:19am] dodee: well, like you said [6:19am] dodee: you consider him a friend [6:19am] dodee: I dont [6:19am] dodee: that's the difference [6:19am] Ellinas: not really.... [6:19am] Ellinas: sorta. [6:19am] Ellinas: it's more like an alliance. [6:19am] Ellinas: haha [6:19am] dodee: no, I'm talking to matt re: rich [6:19am] Ellinas: i game with him [6:19am] Ellinas: oh [6:20am] dodee: he's 1000x more tolerable as a friend. I can't imagine what real or conversational olive branches either of you could offer the other, but the effort would be... rewarding [6:20am] dodee: I dont want olive branches [6:20am] dodee: I want him to not call me out [6:20am] I know you're gonna say 'fuck tha,t I don't need him as a friend' [6:20am] dodee: it actually irritates the fuck out of me [6:20am] but I'm just saying if you give even a HAIR he is ten times more likely to give a mile. [6:20am] dodee: he probably doesn't care, cause he's socially inept [6:21am] dodee: either way. [6:21am] he cares, his problem is he cares about some shit too much. [6:21am] dodee: I'm not gonna give an inch, and he *will* not intentionally piss me off [6:21am] dodee: one way or another [6:21am] I've actually seen subtle examples of him giving an inch for you. [6:21am] dodee: I dotn want an inch! [6:22am] Ellinas: if he backs off because of that [6:22am] Ellinas: he's pathetic [6:22am] dodee: I wanna see his name on the list, I wanna see him talking, and I wanna see him either not addressing me, or adressing me without adjectives [6:22am] yeah but this IS a negotiation, whether you want it to be or not [6:22am] if it were a 2 person channel there's nothing to discuss [6:22am] dodee: yeah uhm... no it isn't [6:22am] dodee: one member is intentionally making it difficult for another member to be here [6:22am] dodee: that's the bottom line [6:22am] yeah laff, it's hard to be here when banned. [6:23am] dodee sets mode: -b *!*@*.dialup.mindspring.com [6:23am] dodee: how's that for a fucking olive branch [6:23am] that's good! [6:23am] dodee: he calls me out, I screw him up. [6:23am] Ellinas: that's a good call [6:23am] dodee: no three strikes, no fucking anything [6:23am] Ellinas: just try talking [6:23am] Ellinas: open communication is good [6:23am] dodee: I dont want communictaion [6:23am] Ellinas: discuss the problems [6:23am] dodee: communication has proven to get nowhere with him [6:24am] dodee: I've told him countless times [6:24am] dodee: he doesn't like me? fine [6:24am] Ellinas: maybe you should rephrase it to not sound like that [6:24am] dodee: he wants to talk shit about me in PM, fine [6:24am] I will every ounce of honey and the biggest stick possible when I discuss this with him next, really I will... he's going to be a polite motherfucker. [6:24am] dodee: soon as he says shit about me on the public channel or in PM to me, he's grass [6:24am] dodee: no, you know what, dontbother [6:25am] nah I gotta bother otherwise he'll probably fuck up fast o_O [6:25am] dodee: soon as he comes on tomorrow night or whatever, I'm gonna tell him to treat me with some respect on the public [6:25am] oh man [6:25am] Ellinas: watch your phrasing [6:25am] you KNOW what will ensue then [6:25am] dodee: no, I'll be nice [6:25am] Ellinas: otherwise [6:25am] Ellinas: the same complaint u have about him [6:25am] Ellinas: can be said about you [6:25am] dodee: I can be disturbingly diplomatic when I want to me [6:25am] well at LEAST ask in PM and not in channel [6:25am] dodee: be [6:25am] Ellinas: try to be nice [6:25am] dodee: no, public [6:25am] dodee: I want him on the spot [6:25am] Ellinas: yes, PM would be smarter [6:25am] otheerwise he's gonna feel hella threatened and is bound to follow the script [6:26am] dodee: good [6:26am] Ellinas: on the spot, he'll be a smartass [6:26am] dodee: that's the plan [6:26am] dodee: either way suits me fine [6:26am] dodee: win/win. [6:26am] yeah, and he'll know you wanted him on the spot, and he will see it for what it is: putting him on the spot, which is petty [6:26am] dodee: I dont WANT to mend fences [6:26am] if you really want it to happen and aren't fishing for an excuse to re-KB him [6:26am] pm [6:26am] dodee: I want to coexist peacefully [6:26am] that's just advice, now I REALLY gotta sleep [6:26am] thank christ I'm not employed yet. [6:26am] ZZZ [6:27am] dodee: mmm it is late. [6:27am] dodee: err... early. [6:27am] Ellinas: or early [6:27am] Ellinas: yay, cartoons. [6:27am] dodee: actually matty [6:27am] dodee: what's rich's email [6:27am] dodee: I'll be good [6:27am] dodee: matty! [6:27am] dodee: !creed [6:28am] dodee: get back here you sonofabitch =) [6:28am] dodee: I quit! [6:29am] Ellinas: good nite/morning