Log file opened at: 1/30/03 10:08:30 PM

10:16 PM:     SummAh: hey matty
10:16 PM:     SummAh: who is emptysoul?
10:16 PM:      CreeD: shou's bot
10:16 PM:      CreeD: no idea why he has a bot.
10:17 PM:  Shou-sama: it's not a bot
10:17 PM:  Shou-sama: :P
10:17 PM:  GodEater|: Shou-sama- boto
10:17 PM:      dodee: ok, so say you're living alone with no pets, then you wake
up one day, and there's a cat or a dog or something there
10:17 PM:      CreeD: it's a second connection from you, yes?
10:17 PM:      CreeD: that = bot
10:17 PM:      dodee: and there's no way it could have gotten in 
10:17 PM:  Shou-sama: CreeD: not from the same pc
10:17 PM:      dodee: do you assume that it somehow got in anyway, or that
you're insane?
10:17 PM:  GodEater|: dodee: happens to me all the time
10:17 PM:  Shou-sama: nor the same place
10:17 PM:      CreeD: [ dodee ] liv did it, it's a gesture of reconciliation.
10:17 PM:  GodEater|: quantum decision
10:18 PM:      CreeD: [ Shou-sama ] is it staffed by a live human?
10:18 PM:  Shou-sama: CreeD: yes, when i'm at work :P
10:18 PM:  GodEater|: the universe decided the probability of your having a cat
was decent enough
10:18 PM:      CreeD: [ Shou-sama ] k it's a bot
10:18 PM:  Shou-sama: ermmm so i'm a bot when i'm idle? XD
10:19 PM:      CreeD: it's karma for that cat you sodomozed, skinned, and ate
10:19 PM:      CreeD: you now have to care for a cat.
10:19 PM:      dodee: I think I'd assume I was insane, and that I'd always had a
cat, but I had some new kind of amnesia that I only forget my pet.
10:19 PM:      Reno-: GE
10:19 PM:      CreeD: [ Shou-sama ] a second connection from one person
(regardless of physical location) = a bot
10:19 PM:      Reno-: I won't be playing football this summer >:|
10:19 PM:      CreeD: even if it just sits there.
10:19 PM:  GodEater|: seriously flow through the quantum foam
10:19 PM:  GodEater|: Reno-: why not. American Idol got you hooked?
10:19 PM:      Reno-: no, I was playing hockey yesterday and bruised my hip
10:19 PM:      dodee: no open doors or windows, no one else has a key, it's just
there, like you brought it in and forgot. that'd freak me right out.
10:20 PM:      Reno-: >:|
10:20 PM:      CreeD: macintosh may be uberfr00t, but they make cute ads
10:20 PM:      CreeD: verne troyer and yao ming
10:20 PM:      dodee: furthermore, the cat like knows you. it's totally fine
with you being there.
10:20 PM:      CreeD: [ dodee ] followed you in really slippery like when you
came in... cats are soooo good at that
10:20 PM:      dodee: you're not gonna play football cause you got a bruise?
pussy.
10:20 PM:      dodee: well say it's a good sized dog or something
10:21 PM:      CreeD: [ GodEater| ] so check your pm lah~~
10:21 PM:      CreeD: [ dodee ] so this IS hypothetical?!
10:21 PM:  GodEater|: now, dodee. Are you sure there just wasn't some non-local
quantum connection occuring?
10:21 PM:      dodee: the point of the hypothetical is that there's no way that
it could have gotten in without your involvement, yet you dont remember it.
10:21 PM:      dodee: yeah, hypothetical.
10:21 PM:      dodee: no idea of it's name, where it came from, gender, what
treats it likes, tricks it knows, anything
10:22 PM:  GodEater|: involvement is superficial and beside the point. consider
the fact that the same light in you beroom potentially exists on the moon right
now
10:22 PM:      Reno-: GE: some bastard freaking hip checked me in a NONCONTACT
GAME
10:22 PM:      Reno-: dude sent me flying over him and i smacked against the
board >:|
10:22 PM:      dodee: did you chock him with your stick then stab him with the
back part of your skate?
10:22 PM:      dodee: choke.
10:22 PM:      Reno-: dodee: no, I showed him a picture of Llan naked
10:22 PM:      dodee: chock. wtf.
10:22 PM:        rsw: another fight? reno you savage brute!
10:23 PM:      CreeD: [ dodee ] so you're asking would anyone assume they =
crazy vs. accept the apparently impossible?
10:23 PM:      dodee: creed, yes.
10:23 PM:      CreeD: I think 99.9% of us would go with not crazy
10:23 PM:  GodEater|: Reno-: In a exhibition match I took a kick in the head
that took me out for 6 months
10:23 PM:      Reno-: GE: gayness
10:23 PM:      Reno-: I hate bitches like that
10:23 PM:      dodee: how could you think you WEREN'T crazy.
10:23 PM:      CreeD: there are a lot of plausible explanations for it getting
in
10:23 PM:  GodEater|: dodee: quantum foam
10:23 PM:      Reno-: we specifically said no hits
10:23 PM:      Reno-: and dude was killing everyone on the ice >:|
10:23 PM:      dodee: no, there are no plausible explanations
10:23 PM:  GodEater|: I feel for you. been there.
10:23 PM:      CreeD: sneak by when you opened the door, left the door open and
forgot, hidden entrance you didn't know about
10:23 PM:      dodee: doors and windows are sealed, no one else has a key, no
holes in the wall, etc
10:24 PM:        rsw: why is him following you in not plausible?
10:24 PM:      CreeD: we're ASSUMING then that there's absolutely no plausible
explanation?
10:24 PM:      dodee: say it's an apartment in a city.
10:24 PM:      dodee: yes
10:24 PM:      dodee: rich, cause it's a hypothetical, and therefore, I make the
rules.
10:24 PM:      CreeD: [ dodee ] I'd assume someone put it there and resealed
cleverly just to fool with my head.
10:24 PM:      dodee: I'd instantly assume I was nuts.
10:24 PM:      CreeD: [ rsw ] he's saying it's a great dane
10:24 PM:  GodEater|: doee: that's exactly it. you make the rules.
10:24 PM:      CreeD: [ dodee ] no plausible explanaton for you to be nuts
either tho, right?
10:25 PM:  GodEater|: when you collapse the state vector it immediately falls in
your favor in this instance
10:25 PM:      Reno-: GE: yeah.  I'm a damn gimp now
10:25 PM:      Reno-: trainer told me that it'll heal eventually in like 2
months or something
10:25 PM:  GodEater|: Reno-: that completely sucks, man. shame
10:25 PM:  GodEater|: so no running, eh?
10:25 PM:      Reno-: no I'm still going to run
10:25 PM:  GodEater|: CreeD: reading PM
10:25 PM:      Reno-: just not that one you suggested
10:25 PM:      dodee: I think I'd go with the pet-specific amnesia thing.
10:26 PM:      CreeD: [ GodEater| ] cool thankx
10:26 PM:      CreeD: I'd probably go with practical joke
10:26 PM:  GodEater|: dodee: I can't help someone who doesn't want to be helped
10:26 PM:     SummAh: hi
10:26 PM:     SummAh: ge
10:26 PM:     SummAh: :)
10:26 PM:  GodEater|: I'd go with non local phenomenom
10:26 PM:  GodEater|: summ
10:26 PM:      dodee: a better one would be say you have a tiger cat, right?
10:26 PM:      dodee: then one morning you wake up, and it's all black.
10:26 PM:        rsw: what about aliens or the CIA or FBI?
10:26 PM:      dodee: answers to the same name, likesthe same people food, etc
10:26 PM:        rsw: they could have done it
10:27 PM:      CreeD: [ dodee ] prank
10:27 PM:      CreeD: [ dodee ] ink
10:27 PM:      dodee: obviously the same cat, but a different exterior
10:27 PM:      dodee: you try to wash the ink off
10:27 PM:      CreeD: permanent ink.
10:27 PM:  GodEater|: how about the fact that different eigenstates coincide
with each other
10:27 PM:      dodee: or go the other way, it's a black cat, then you wake up
and it's white
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10:27 PM:      dodee: or a dog.
10:27 PM:      CreeD: [ dodee ] people's hair is said to do that. Assume
something scared the cat or some other melanin issue
10:27 PM:      CreeD: or the dog.
10:28 PM:      dodee: overnight?!
10:28 PM:      CreeD: take the cat to the vet rather than yourself to a mental
ward
10:28 PM:        rsw: dodee, have you been drinking a bit? or maybe smoking the
funny weed?
10:28 PM:      CreeD: [ dodee ] it's urban-legended to have happened
10:28 PM:      CreeD: overnight white.
10:28 PM:      CreeD: the magic mushroom forest has sprung up around his city
apartment.
10:28 PM:      dodee: when you take it to the vet, theyinstantly recognize it as
your cat, even before you take him/her out of the carrier.
10:29 PM:      CreeD: [ dodee ] why would they do that/
10:29 PM:      dodee: like it was always white.
10:29 PM:      dodee: cause that's your vet.
10:29 PM:      dodee: same place you take the same pet when it's sick
10:29 PM:      CreeD: [ dodee ] elaborate practical joke.
10:29 PM:  GodEater|: again, One should assume that they've actually managed to
step outside of certain probability lines and entered another
10:29 PM:      dodee: or needs shots
10:29 PM:  GodEater|: you've moved through space-like time. stepped through
tilting light cones
10:29 PM:      CreeD: godeater does the lower quality stuff.
10:29 PM:     Srider: it's just a glitch in the matrix.. jeez...
10:29 PM:      dodee: fine, you take it to an impartial vet 3 states away, who
tests the hair and proves the cat was always white.
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10:30 PM:      CreeD: [ dodee ] no such proof. Or I'd assume he lacked
competence or that the disease/issue is rare enough that it's outside his field
of expertise.
10:30 PM:      dodee: you're way too comfortable in your own sanity.
10:31 PM:      dodee: fine, say it turned into a miniature doberman instead.
10:31 PM:  GodEater|: the idea that sanity is a constant is a problem.
10:31 PM:      dodee: again, same name, tricks, etc
10:31 PM:      CreeD: dunno, it's easier and more practical to deal with a pet
oddity than it is to commit yourself.
10:31 PM:  GodEater|: its kind of like saying, 'i trust the sense of sight'
10:32 PM:      CreeD: until this glitch (my own or the pet's) severely affects
my lifestyle, I'd probably let it be, except for sleepless nights wondering wtf
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10:32 PM:      CreeD: I might mention it to the doctor in a sly way
10:32 PM:      CreeD: ask if he's seen something similar.
10:32 PM:  GodEater|: even though we know that the things we see are sometimes
sntedated to make sense by the brain
10:32 PM:  GodEater|: antedated
10:32 PM:      dodee: so you'd let a miniature doberman stay in your house, even
though you know that you dont own one?
10:32 PM:      CreeD: yeah I hear it arrives to the brain upside down and spotty
as hell
10:32 PM:  GodEater|: upside down is the easy to swallow part
10:32 PM:      CreeD: [ dodee ] nah if I didn't want the dog, I'd put up missing
posters for what-I-knew-as-my-pet
10:33 PM:      CreeD: and take dobie to the bet.
10:33 PM:      CreeD: vet
10:33 PM:  GodEater|: how about backwards in time?
10:33 PM:      dodee: but it answers to your "cat's" name.
10:33 PM:      CreeD: [ GodEater| ] raytracing style
10:33 PM:      CreeD: [ dodee ] animal behaviour is easily modified
10:33 PM:      CreeD: whoever pranked me by kidnapping the cat decided to fuck
with me by training the dog.
10:34 PM:      dodee: "easily" I dunno.
10:34 PM:      dodee: who would go to all that effort?!
10:34 PM:  GodEater|: did you know that the 'impulse potential' fires in your
muscles almost a full second before you "choose" to move your arm
10:34 PM:      dodee: you're clearly insane, man.
10:34 PM:      CreeD: [ dodee ] easier to assume someone went to effort than I
lost my marbles or physics and reality burped
10:34 PM:      CreeD: people do a lot of odd things cuz they're bored
10:35 PM:      CreeD: [ GodEater| ] sure, I buy that
10:35 PM:      dodee: ok, what about if you wake up, and all the walls in your
apartment are black.
10:35 PM:      dodee: and when you went to sleep, you know they were white
10:35 PM:      CreeD: paint.
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10:35 PM:  GodEater|: when you know that your body somehow is motivated to move
before you consciously choose to make it move, sanity becomes a floating issue
10:35 PM:  GodEater|: its measured against context
10:35 PM:      CreeD: painted by a bored stranger
10:35 PM:      dodee: who could paint ALL the walls overnight without you
knowing?
10:35 PM:      CreeD: the same people who steal only flowerpots
10:35 PM:      dodee: you were asleep.
10:35 PM:      CreeD: dodee :you can paint walls in an hour
10:35 PM:      CreeD: and it's not a clamorous activity
10:35 PM:      CreeD: I sleep heavy
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10:36 PM:      dodee: even behind all the furniture is painted
10:36 PM:  GodEater|: dodee: since time moves relative to the individual someone
could paint all of new york city before you could draw breath
10:36 PM:      dodee: and the floors are now carpeted, even under your bed.
10:36 PM:      CreeD: maybe the example you're thinking of is you wake up, and
the couch is hovering a foot off the floor
10:36 PM:      CreeD: there are no strings
10:36 PM:      CreeD: and when you go to show someone, it's back to normal.
10:36 PM:      CreeD: then I'd consider insanity
10:36 PM:  GodEater|: again. you're not considering all options
10:37 PM:      CreeD: nobody's going to consider option 3 I think GE :P
10:37 PM:      dodee: no, take it a step further
10:37 PM:      dodee: like the walls+carpeting, so you freak out and invite your
friend from next door over, and they're all "uhm, it's always been like this"
10:37 PM:  GodEater|: but it is soooo obvious
10:37 PM:      CreeD: [ dodee ] I get the gist of it, it's used in a few movies
(dunno what off the top of my head)
10:38 PM:  GodEater|: dodee: I already addressed this. you've obviously passed
through a different eigenstate.
10:38 PM:      CreeD: let's say 30 different friends alllllll say "it's always
been like this"
10:38 PM:      dodee: you woudln't assume you were nuts at that point?
10:38 PM:      CreeD: yeah I could consider it
10:38 PM:      dodee: I'd assume I was nuts, then the confirmation would prove
it.
10:38 PM:      CreeD: [ dodee ] I'd ask a lot of pointed questions, talk to a
doctor, do some empirical tests
10:38 PM:      CreeD: and maybe if all of those come up dry, consider it.
10:39 PM:      dodee: I'd have my blood tested for like...residual chemicals to
see if I was drugged, go find proof of the date, etc
10:39 PM:      dodee: but still
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10:39 PM:      dodee: your *initial* reaction woudln't be "ok, I'm nuts"
10:39 PM:      dodee: ?
10:39 PM:  GodEater|: no
10:40 PM:      dodee: I'd be trying to prove I wasn't nuts, not the other way
around
10:40 PM:      kbcat: hey gang
10:40 PM:      dodee: wtf is the point of pastel-colored PS2's?
10:40 PM:  GodEater|: the stranger the situation the far less likely the normal
rules should apply. like I said, sanity is a fluid construct
10:40 PM:  GodEater|: kb!
10:40 PM:      dodee: you're a fluid construct, you crazy bastard
10:41 PM:  GodEater|: dodee: very true. now you're getting it
10:41 PM:  GodEater|: flow through the quantum foam
10:41 PM:      kbcat: GE! how's it going, with the cappin' and the stuff and
what not
10:41 PM:  GodEater|: well, you've seen all I've capped. I found the 'lost
battles'
10:41 PM:        rsw: dodee, you're the one that is the most out of character
here tonight, and it's disturbing me, frankly
10:41 PM:  GodEater|: I'll get those capped tomorrow
10:41 PM:      dodee: divx/dvd the star wars laserdiscs, you lazy shits. =)
10:41 PM:  GodEater|: yah
10:41 PM:      CreeD: yeaaah!
10:42 PM:  GodEater|: we need to go to that laserdisk place and rent the trilogy
10:42 PM:      dodee: and for the record, I am under the influence of nothing
out of the ordinary
10:42 PM:      CreeD: yes, dodee is wandering down distinctly... unrepublican
paths.
10:42 PM:     SummAh: when is the original trilogy gonna come out on dvd?
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10:42 PM:        rsw: alcohol isn't unordinary, neither is grass
10:42 PM:  GodEater|: SummAh: after the final final final directors fuck up
10:42 PM:      dodee: actually, my republicanism is proved by my assuming I was
insane.
10:43 PM:      dodee: proven*
10:43 PM:      CreeD: eh? assuming insanity is a hallmark of reb-ism?
10:43 PM:     SummAh: GANJA!
10:43 PM:      dodee: the original cuts are *never* coming out on dvd.
10:43 PM:      dodee: ever.
10:43 PM:      kbcat: I'm game... for sure... 
10:43 PM:  GodEater|: what was the name of that place?
10:43 PM:      dodee: and assuming insanity isn't, but the group versys the
individual isn't
10:43 PM:      dodee: is*
10:44 PM:      kbcat: Laserland... wonder if it still exists
10:44 PM:  GodEater|: we'll have to find out
10:44 PM:      dodee: it better, or all hope might be lost
10:44 PM:      kbcat: watching the 80mb vid again... damn one mistake and lau
takes 90% of your bar.
10:44 PM:      CreeD: [ dodee ] I think repubism is also supposed to mean bible
shit too... so maybe a repub would say "god's will"
10:44 PM:      CreeD: haha what's that
10:45 PM:      dodee: I tried to rent them recently, and the place had sold all
their ld's
10:45 PM:      dodee: nope.
10:45 PM:  GodEater|: considering the possibility of true communication
(vagaries in dialect, text and meaning/context) its always the group versus the
individual
10:45 PM:      CreeD: f+P+K -> df+PPK -> sidekick backstagger -> df+PK
-upknpppsweep?
10:46 PM:      kbcat: VF2: upknP-upknPPPK
10:46 PM:  GodEater|: as perceived by the individual, anyway
10:46 PM:      CreeD: oh laff
10:46 PM:      CreeD: [ kbcat ] or even elbow stagger, upknp upknPPPK
10:46 PM:  GodEater|: kbcat: yah, its what I like to refer to as, 'complete
bullshit'