Log file opened at: 4/19/02 2:20:13 PM *** Topic for #vfhome: http://www.kuro5hin.org/?op=displaystory;sid=2002/4/17/114913/762 - Guide to being less sucky *** Topic for #vfhome set by Reno- on Friday, April 19, 2002 1:09:12 AM #vfhome: rsw mmgoose Bunkei noman baobab @Shou-WORK Almaci @nanQ1 xnij11 @ChoiBoy ukie lonelyfig @Buktooth8 mikeohara @SummAh Caedmon Drow-Z jidan @[jhk] tigSLEEP @Work-Pai somedude2 @dodee FeAr187 Chr|s @AwayEug @tragic kofman ^Zippy^ @VFidle @Shou-sama truking @clo *** End of /NAMES list. *** Mode is +stn *** Channel created at Thursday, July 12, 2001 2:30:16 PM *** Mode change "+o rsw" on #vfhome by AwayEug mmgoose: which is better, the ascii stick or hori? tragic: question, what are those little shields under each guys stage name. always wondered. is that the ranking shield or what *** ghostdogg (rj6971@host-209-214-132-155.jax.bellsouth.net) has joined channel #vfhome nanQ1: rank nanQ1: 1p 2p ghostdogg: sup everybody *** Signoff: dodee () nanQ1: means you're using vf.net card tragic: under the stage name? tragic: not on bottom left/right tragic: but right under the name baobab: scary : http://www.fortune.com/indexw.jhtml?channel=artcol.jhtml&doc_id=207250 lonelyfig: under their life bar lonelyfig: wow daioh is pretty fast today *** GodEater (GodEater_@d141-101-49.home.cgocable.net) has joined channel #vfhome lonelyfig: did you see that combo though tragic? *** Mode change "+o GodEater" on #vfhome by clo GodEater: ahhh yeahhhh tragic: hrm these are all single matches hrm tragic: yea p p p dlc lonelyfig: man that woulda sucked *** dodee (sph3228@me-buxton3a-200.agstme.adelphia.net) has joined channel #vfhome GodEater: rich you quake whore! *** Mode change "+o dodee" on #vfhome by GodEater ghostdogg: p, p, p, dlc=weak damage lonelyfig: i dont care lonelyfig: its kewl looking *** Mode change "+o baobab" on #vfhome by dodee GodEater: ghost: good push though ghostdogg: but it looks nice rsw: weh wha? tragic: well the fact that he did it after punching someone out of u/f+k+g is cool GodEater: what clip is this? ghostdogg: ge:yah rsw: no quake right now GodEater: ah dodee: what's ppp dlc? like...60-something? GodEater: well good for you! ghostdogg: tragic:yah, that was impresive GodEater: boys: what clip lonelyfig: Akira was not trying to let uf+k+g in his house tragic: http://www.daioh.com/dl_count/lime.cgi?down=http://www5d.biglobe.ne.jp/~daioh/ movie/daioh_3-16taikosan7.WMV&name=%E5%A4%A7%E9%A0%88%E6%99%B6%EF%BC%88%E5%A4%AA %E9%BC%93%E9%83%A8%E5%B1%8B%EF%BC%89vs%E3%82%B7%E3%83%A3%E3%83%AB%E3%83%AB%E3%83 %BB%E3%83%89%E3%83%BB%E3%82%AE%E3%83%BC%E3%82%B9%EF%BC%88%E5%B1%B1%E7%8E%8B%E4% BC%9A%EF%BC%89%E3%80%9012.3MB%E3%80%91 tragic: ROFL tragic: nice url lonelyfig: lol dodee: 1/4th bar after interrupting u/f+K+G isnt awful, christ. tragic: if he was even more leet he woulda done p interrupt, shoulder, dlc! or palm! ghostdogg: dodee:it didn't look like it took that much damage...christ lonelyfig: christ you guys say christ alot *** GreatD (chasm@bsace7001-181-90-111.dsl.telebrasilia.net.br) has joined channel #vfhome *** Mode change "+o GreatD" on #vfhome by AwayEug ghostdogg: lf:that's my first time:) dodee: I asked if it was that much rsw: we looove to take the lords name in vain lonelyfig: i never said it took bar i just said it was cool looking nanQ1: lol tragic: jesus, thats a cool combo, christ... i mean, god GreatD: lo lonelyfig: lol ghostdogg: gerat d... dodee: well, coollooking's underrated dodee: gd. GodEater: GD! ghostdogg: great d...is it that hard to spell "great"? *** nanQ1 has left channel #vfhome GreatD: ayo! lonelyfig: style completly trumps damage in my book GreatD: GE! GreatD: this download accelerator thingy does wonders for blanka dsl, it works much better with multiple connects *** Signoff: dodee (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) tragic: lonely BULLSHIT., you were telling me to do pounce after jacky b+k+g tragic: LONELY IS A LIAR *** dodee (sph3228@me-buxton3a-200.agstme.adelphia.net) has joined channel #vfhome GreatD: I'm actually getting 27k/s consistently now dodee: ! lonelyfig: lol lonelyfig: pounce is leet looking *** Mode change "+o dodee" on #vfhome by clo *** Signoff: dodee () GreatD: rsw: amiga emu? *** dodee (sph3228@me-buxton3a-200.agstme.adelphia.net) has joined channel #vfhome dodee: what was the url to that clip again? lonelyfig: yeah i am very contradictory *** Mode change "+o dodee" on #vfhome by clo mmgoose: try this: shrm, p, shrm, m-dbplm. around 84 damage SummAh: my GOD THIS IS SO FARNEE! SummAh: this girl is crying on the street SummAh: usually..I would pity her SummAh: but she's dead drunk tragic: what girl. lonelyfig: http://www.daioh.com/ SummAh: n she took off her shoes n smacked a guy in the head lonelyfig: 5th one from the top dodee tragic: rofl SummAh: then the guy (dickhead) punched her in the chest! dodee: geeze SummAh: so she's screaming in chinese ' he beat me!' lonelyfig: hey no if a bitch hit me with a shoe she is catching some heat SummAh: the 3rd party..who happens to be a girl...started scolding the guy SummAh: guy says ' why can't i beat her! she hit me!' dodee: girls + shoes != hit back SummAh: girl says ' GUYS DON'T SMACK GIRLS!' lonelyfig: they had shoes SummAh: I'm at the balcony laffing lonelyfig: chicks shoes are hard and pointy baobab: i thin it comes down to equal rights... SummAh: it's 4.30am n this happens! SummAh: LOL dodee: geeze SummAh: what i found it funny is SummAh: he punched her tits! SummAh: what a dickhead... dodee: tiny little chinese girl swingin a shoe at me isn't gonna hurt tragic: ... SummAh: LOL baobab: if women can hit men, they can at least give a light smack back SummAh: COPS ARE HERE! tragic: i wonder whats more pleasurable tragic: punching the tits tragic: or punching the monkey dodee: "the monkey" wtf? tragic: llllllol GreatD: punched her tits! tragic: is that reply like tragic: "the monkey of course" tragic: or tragic: "wtf is the monkey" dodee: b tragic: lol SummAh: muahaha dodee: I've enver heard that terminology SummAh: the other girl is starting to punch the guy now lonelyfig: i never heard of enver SummAh: lol tragic: i heard of denver tho dodee: har har har! tragic: thats close to enver GreatD: freddie, put the whole thing on tape SummAh: it's in chinese dodee: yeah, where's the camcorder? SummAh: too funny baobab: summ: you should throw somthing at them...like a water balloon dodee: or a shoe SummAh: i just ran out to the balconey SummAh: oops SummAh: spelling mistake SummAh: hang on SummAh: something else happening GreatD: argh, brb SummAh: this is no good dodee: wow, the kage in that video is very mediocre SummAh: guy's down on the floor dodee: the cops take him down? GodEater: yah wolf SummAh: yeap SummAh: hi god! baobab: the cops and the chicks are kicking him... GodEater: summ! dodee: take that, you titty-puncher! SummAh: man SummAh: he deserves to be taken down lonelyfig: bahahahah 6th clip has a pretty good RO in it SummAh: titty punchers are lamers tragic: summah what about ass-slappers *** Signoff: GreatD (.) SummAh: I dun mind slapping a few ass SummAh: kekee dodee: slapping ass is a-ok GodEater: no. wolf, fight back tragic: lol a few SummAh: oops~ baobab: summ: that' lonelyfig: lol GodEater: yay baobab: 's pretty quick police response lonelyfig: GE wold did cathc an ass whuppin SummAh: police patorl lonelyfig: wolf SummAh: can SummAh: gah! GodEater: stupid wolf SummAh: CANNOT SPELL TONIGHT~ lonelyfig: overall mvement is getting alot better SummAh: friday night here GodEater: gah SummAh: lotsa drunk fools in the city SummAh: buzy night for cops~ lonelyfig hates drunk people:) SummAh: yah baobab: woohoo looks like this commercial is just about finished, i get to rid myself the bozos making it SummAh: god u there? GodEater: wow. Akira's stupid claw hand thingy recovers *too* fast GodEater: yes I am, my son SummAh: when r u free? GodEater: what do you mean? I'm free now tragic: whats claw hand? qcb+p? GodEater: trag: yep dodee: yeah, that kage was amateur. tragic: dude, qcb+p, sidestep, then walk a step, then bodycheck is BULLSHIT dodee: the akira was just toying with him SummAh: i wouldn't say kage was amateur SummAh: just that akira was too damn good dodee: with the two mercy rounds GodEater: but that claw, shoulder sequence was near instantaneous dodee: I dunno, if that's the pinnacle of kage-ness, he must suck now. SummAh: dodee: that's not the pinnacle of Kage SummAh: U haven't seen kyasao..or skeleton in action dodee: like half of akira's damage was stomach crumple, DJK dodee: yawn SummAh: my god..quite good to watch those two Kage in action SummAh: or Del *** Killbomb (bastard@ol2-24.217.89.170.charter-stl.com) has joined channel #vfhome SummAh: DEL is a fucking good kage player GodEater: summ: was there somethign you wanted? GodEater: you bastard SummAh: pvt lonelyfig: Youngdae still is the most entertaining Japanese player i have seen in ahwhile dodee: do they ever post fights that just INTERESTING or fun instead of going for guarunteed stuff? SummAh: oops~! lonelyfig: wathc the youngdae stuff on creeds server baobab: lf: what character does youngdae play? lonelyfig: Jacky SummAh: youngdae is not japanese SummAh: he is korean lonelyfig: buts its a fucking slick jacky lonelyfig: oh sorry dodee: in that kage/akira match, they just sat there and low punched at each other for like 2 seconds SummAh: he's the same jacky player in the hitel tournament clips dodee: what's that shit? baobab: i want to see some more good aoi players *** Signoff: mikeohara (ircd.lightning.net irc.Prison.NET) lonelyfig would like to see just one good Shun player ghostdogg: summah:i thought that name sounded familiar *** mikeohara (Orion@ACC0536B.ipt.aol.com) has joined channel #vfhome dodee: I'm not sure the tournament culture is that great dodee: everyone sticks to high teir characters to be able to 'compete' lonelyfig: bah baobab: gasp!!! dodee said the 't' word lonelyfig: still doesnt think they are definable tiers lonelyfig: and if there are akira aint in the top 4 and neither is Kage GodEater: okayyyyy dodee: there are teirs, get over it rsw: who doesn't think that? rsw: jeff? rsw: ass-9? ghostdogg: TIERS dodee: those too, doggy Drow-Z: tiers baobab: teehee i don't care jack shit about tiers lonelyfig: if you asked me right now top 4 would be Lau,Jacky,Wolf,Jeff rsw: THANK YOU, gd tragic: i dont think there are tiers in vf4. i think its more of just a gradual curve from best to worst rsw: and you would be so wrong to leave akira out *** Signoff: mikeohara (ircd.charter.com irc.Prison.NET) rsw: fuck that lonelyfig: he is soooo dodgeable rich rsw: what the fuck is WRONG with you people? lonelyfig: it fucking kills him GodEater: haha rsw: lonely: dodging DOESN'T DO ANYTHING lonelyfig: my ass *** mikeohara (Orion@ACC0536B.ipt.aol.com) has joined channel #vfhome dodee: look at akira's recovery times to damage and tell me he doesn't have a clear advantage rsw: guess how vulnerable he is after you dodge his SDE tragic: i think its easy to tier a game like tekken, but not vf. the characters are much closer to being effective all around than tekken chars rsw: you can't do ANYTHING to him after you dodge the SDE baobab: akira is "the golden child", he's meant to be badass rsw: you're WORSE OFF if you dodge it rsw: it's such a load of bullshit tragic: well tragic: it IS... SUPER dashing elbow tragic: its SUPER man tragic: what do you expect dodee: fine, "tier" might be a bit aggressive, but still somedude2: lol tragic: anymove with SUPER in front of it tragic: is GOOD tragic: lol lonelyfig: well SDE is good like that rsw: anyway, back to the wtf is wrong with you people - lonelyfig: but his other moves get him fucked f you dodge rsw: such as? SummAh: can someone tell me if I am lagging? lonelyfig: rich shut up lonelyfig: you dont even play tragic: hehe in wmv9 of the new diaoh clips, lau/akira sit still for like 5 seconds. akira in crouch, lau standing. both guarding rsw: i've played enough to know lonelyfig: have lonelyfig: as in past tense dodee: ben: some of those videos are wack rsw: what does it matter? point is i _know_ baobab: rich: you should take up akira in vf4 and own us all.. dodee: there's lots of brainfart stuff in them tragic: dodee i didnt record them man, im just commenting on them lol lonelyfig: when was the last time you player serios? lonelyfig: all you bring to the table is theory fighter rich dodee: playing doesn't remove the fact that akira's recovery times are absurd baobab: then no one could argue with you about it rsw: anyway, tiers - people who say there are none are fooling themselves dodee: [SummAh PING reply]: 21secs lonelyfig: and theory means jack shit rsw: fuck you, asshole. go dodge sde. see how far you get. dodee: if akira KNOWS SDE is free, he's gonna abuse it dodee: look at that akira/kage video lonelyfig: i belive there are rankins but not definable tiers dodee: all that fucker does is SDE rsw: everything i have brought up is a fact lonelyfig: well yes lonelyfig: yes Shou-WORK: do P(g) interrupt and throw :P lonelyfig: but what makes you think akira wont just stand there after you dodge? rsw: i am not theorizing or speculating lonelyfig: i will tell you right now Shun dodge attack will eat SDE for fucking breakfast dodee: I'm gonna start just abusing pai's d/b+P and when people diss it, I'm gonna call it my akira style pai rsw: what sort of an idiot player will just stand there>!@! lonelyfig: lol lonelyfig: alot mikeohara: scrub baobab: lf: adam won't lonelyfig: we saw it atleast twice today in these vids rsw: who the fuck do you play, lonely? SummAh: I won't lonelyfig: i play shun,jeff,lau,jacky mmgoose: SDE can also get eaten up with sarahs P(g) SummAh: I'll started doing TEG n stuff or modified double palm immediately mikeohara tft's lf lonelyfig: lol rsw: "i paly teh kmite i no everthnig abuot vf" tragic: hehe this lau owns up that akira lonelyfig: hey my win record is all human bitch rsw: lonely, as in opponents, not characters dodee: "super dashing elbow f,f,f+P 20 m me 14 -6 KD[stomach](MC)" <- broken lonelyfig: i play sausage man and nutlog rsw: well that's why i asked rsw: are they tards? dodee: -6! mikeohara: hmm, I only have 4 losses so far with Motoko lonelyfig: have played shota,shou,harold GodEater: haha lonelyfig: better then you ever were rich dodee: 20 frame exec! *** Signoff: Killbomb (Infernal prophecy realized...in this prelude to incineration) rsw: in vf4? sure baobab: it's fast...hard to try an reverse or counter Shou-WORK: dodee: 14 actually :P dodee: it's only 8 frames slower than the fastest PUNCH lonelyfig: no in allof them dodee: errrr yeah 14 GodEater: haha dodee: 2 frames slower! GodEater: lonely get your head out of your ass dodee: there's no denying the numbers lonelyfig: fuck you GE lonelyfig: i get tired of this akira is best how dare you think otherwise lonelyfig: bullshit GodEater: no one says he's the best lonelyfig: i have a differing opinion sorry mikeohara: akira is the most rounded from what I've seen so far of VF4 dodee: it isn't an opionable thing, really GodEater: but he has clearly marked out advantages GodEater: to not see that, well.... rsw: and your backing up of your opinion is crap lonelyfig: he has a big disadvantage IMO lonelyfig: the dogeable thing does hurt you rsw: and don't ever insult an op like you just did, twice, else you want to be banned forever baobab: it's at -6 if blocked? that's it dodee: sde, almost as fast as some punches, krumples on MC and is uncounterable. baobab: that's nothing lonelyfig: i am not going to live in fear of ops dodee: go ahead and dodge it, you cant do anything dodee: try to counter it, and eat the KD rsw: if you don't make childish insults, then you won't dodee: oops! there's DJK in your face baobab: jeez...do sabakis work against it? GodEater: lonely: a competent/OS capable akira player will *eat* your dodge SummAh: of coz Akira won't be at a disadvantage SummAh: EVEN the blue book OFFICIALLY recognizes Akira as a nitaku character mikeohara: I do agree there SummAh: 50/50 lonelyfig: how GE? mikeohara: high level akira's are real hard to beat lonelyfig: i know throws beat dodges etc ghostdogg: bao:only those thatsnuff out elbows, AFAIK dodee: lf, you *cant* counter it without telepathy lonelyfig: but you risk eating mc dodging attack alot lonelyfig: dodee its not hard to predict they use it alot man baobab: gd: still, that move is soo fast. i'm looking at it with aoi in mind... GodEater: buy you're assuming a lot by saying dodging cures the pain dodee: and you only have to screw up punishing it 4 times to lose the round lonelyfig: doesnt cure but hurts it dodee: we're not saying he's unbeatable, we're saying a good akira has a CLEAR advantage mikeohara re-learned Aoi the past couple of days rsw: lonely, there are about 193718753187675 diaoh moves of akira going on a brutal gang-rape festivals which prove your inbred little theories totally wrong baobab: it's not really worth trying to reverse or sabaki it.... rsw: "just dodge! d00d yule be a-OK!@" rsw: snort. lonelyfig: oh now i am inbred rsw: inbred gaming GodEater: he means gameplay rsw: inbred competition, even baobab: pretty much all comp in the us is inbred for VF though ghostdogg: bao:it's not?how u come to that conclusion? lonelyfig: whos comp in the us isnt inbred? rsw: smaller groups who play eachother and develop fucked up gameplay and conclusions lonelyfig: thats something i cant help dodee: lf: there isn't any dodee: NYC does the same thing Shou-WORK: evade -> mc knee combo hurts as much as mc sde combo dodee: they play the same 5 people all the time dodee: and think that's how the game is everywhere lonelyfig: i have played other people and disproved and confirmed some things baobab: gd: cause it is KD...which opens you up for wayy more damage. if you know it's coming then it's a risk you decide to take. if you fuck up, though, it turns into a lot of damage rsw: BUT! some of us actually understand that the group that they play in is NOT representative, and/or constantly change the way they play rsw: was like that in boston ukie: dodee... tears of joy will stream down my face if I can run into 5 people to play against on a normal day ^-^; lonelyfig: i think i have played enough people to state my opinions SummAh: LF: how many have u played? rsw: what, five people? lonelyfig: if you think i am stupis and ignorant because you dont agree rsw: a few hours? come on dude. dodee: it's not agree/disagreeable... somedude2: i think vf attracts the most elitist gamers lonelyfig: dammit i have played atleast 40 different people ghostdogg: ukie:me too somedude2: which is prolly why i'm here dodee: the ONLY way to punish SDE is yomi. that's it. rsw: 40? ........ . . .. lonelyfig: at lenght dodee: and until you're psychic, you cant do that dodee: say you DO interrupt it with dodging attack with shun lonelyfig: well you act like its hard when you just daid akira whore the fuck out of it rsw: that's about the total number of competent vf players in the US. don't bullshit us, twit ^Zippy^: somedude2: possibly the most belligerent, too. dodee: at best that's 30 pts ghostdogg: bao:but still, a successful sabaki snuffing out an elbow leads to good things baobab: gd: yeah, i'm just saying that the risk isn't always worth taking ghostdogg: but, i only play against the cpu regularly, so... lonelyfig: once again i have been called names by a social reject Shou-WORK: dodee: you can say that about a lot of moves rsw: just what the fuck do you know about me, freak? dodee: not movies like sde mikeohara is away, VF dammit [log:ON] [page:ON] [email:mohara5604@aol.com] [ICQ:13015726] dodee: punch fast, uncounterable, EASY kd lonelyfig blw kisses at rsw rsw: if you assume about people the same way that you do in vf, that's harsh lonelyfig: blows lonelyfig: well you nothing but negative only tlking to shoot down others ideas somedude2: have there ever been any fistfights at vf gatherings? lonelyfig: it gets old fast baobab: some: it wouldn't surprise me dodee: not yet somedude2: dodee you gotta invite me to one sometime so i can egg people onb SummAh: LF : maybe it's a suprise to u...but rich only 'flames' when there is a need rsw: lonely: open your fucking eyes, jerkass. it may surprise you to know that i haven't been the only one countering your fucked up opinion somedude2: "yea i heard lonelyfig plays cvs2" baobab: aff baobab: laff even lonelyfig: your the only one calling names dodee: face: hah dodee: that's how rich argues, get over it dodee: stick to the content lonelyfig: and opinion is well opinion disagree dont go wtf is wrong woth you people dodee: akira sde = broken. move along lonelyfig moves on rsw: so? i swear. don't like it? tough shit. at least i can combine content and valid points along with those swears baobab: dodee: what other low risk, geechy keen moves does akira have? rsw: that's something that crew would say Drow-Z: i just noticed morph is still banned rsw: people don't understand why they take shit for their opinions rsw: they curl into a whiny little ball and say "but it's an opinion! why can't you leavee meee alooone waahhhhh!" lonelyfig: yeah them being very very good and all dodee: bao, uhm...just look for anything with a recovery time of less than -8 dodee: 8 is throwable rsw: if there's nothing behind your opinion but conjecture and idiotic theorizing and bullshit facts, then your opinion ain't worth shit. and i'll tell you what i think of it lonelyfig: knee is like -9 aint it baobab: dod: yeah, i know. just wondering if you knew any more off the top of your head lonelyfig: rsw i dont care what you think lonelyfig: never have lonelyfig: never will lonelyfig: you dont mean shit to me somedude2: rsw kinda like "its my opinion that frogs rain from the sky" dodee: regular elbow is the fastest recovering move in the game I think dodee: 2 frame disadvantage rsw lol's for real. somedude2: 'but they dont' "but i cant be wrong its my opinion@" rsw: somedude: exactly dodee: opinion is RIGHT out the window here baobab: some: but sometimes frogs do really rain down from the sky... dodee: it's fact, no matter how one buries their head in the sand lonelyfig: okay so where would you rank akira somedude2: bao: yeah in hurricanes somedude2: but that requires an actual explanation rsw: i don't rank, i tier somedude2: as to why on a rare occasion they can rsw: and that's even more amusing and contradictory, lonely GodEater: lonely, the fact is (get this: fact) that opinion is only valid when an objects state is indeterminate or open to debate or change. the frames show a *clear* picture baobab: point taken some :) rsw: you say you don't believe in tiers, only rankings lonelyfig: yes GodEater: and that picture doesn't really jive with what you are stating rsw: rankings are FAR more rigid than tier ever will be dodee: ge...you're so eloquent lonelyfig: i beleive in tiers in other games i just dont think there is a big enough margin of difference in VF4 to validate tiers GodEater: your opinion seems more suited to an individual performance of Akira than Akira itself baobab: yeah ge, i had to read that a few times. that's how good it was :) GodEater: you dinks. rsw: dude - tiers EQUAL less margin of difference. tiers are basically wide rankings with objects that can change within depending on other factors rsw: if you say aoi is 13th, she's dead last. baobab: jeez akira has lotsa uncounterable moves lonelyfig: i dont think akira is so much better than lion that lion cannot compete hence putting him in a lesser tier ghostdogg: bao:daioh_3-16taikosan8 has an akira vs. aoi matchup...i'm watching it now rsw: if you say she's in the last tier along with three, four other characters, there's some variation lonelyfig: also ranking depend on perfect mistake free play which doesnt happen SummAh: baobab: Akira was designed to have lotsa uncounterable moves rsw: she could be the worst...but maybe not dodee: nnghh SummAh: baobab: that's how a NITAKU CHARACTER WORKS rsw: will depend on factors like skill and opponents dodee: this isn't going anywhere rsw: understood? lonelyfig: i know the difference baobab: summah: yeah, i'm just finally realising truly how badass akira is...never really thought about it before SummAh: baobab: welcome to the truth lonelyfig: tiers imo suggest to much of a gap between characters dodee: bao: the problem is the player using akira needs to know what's free to abuse it dodee: a really good example is that recent diaoh clip lonelyfig: and yes rankings are much more rigid but its all frames right dodee: all that guy does is SDE SummAh: dodee: exactly SummAh: n his DJK is just bullshit dodee: and he's 86% in JAPAN rsw: bleh...how is it more of a gap when characters are grouped together on four levels, instead of 13? explain this new math to me. dodee: JUST by abusing SDE, DJK dodee: its fucking sickening SummAh: gah..I just plain have no respect for Akira( the character ) in VF4 SummAh: I have so much respect for Akira in VF3 dodee: you only need to counter 4 times with SDE to win a round dodee: just with the base/free damage of SDE, DJK dodee: that's jst stupid. SummAh: thank god lighting kick wins shoulder ram...faster execution..phew lonelyfig: shit b,f+p->k,k,p does 90+ and b,f+p is uncounterable rsw: answer my question lonelyfig: but jeff isnt a monster *** ETP (mangina@Kitchener-HSE-ppp3579852.sympatico.ca) has joined channel #vfhome lonelyfig: oh didnt see it lonelyfig: one sec rsw: and b,f+P is slow. fucking duh rsw: and hits high. lonelyfig: well yes rsw: golly gee! lonelyfig: it has issues rsw: it's like the SDE, but only 100 times worse! dodee: b,f+P? dodee: jeffery? SummAh: standing palm for Akira? lonelyfig: jeff rsw: jeff's b,f+P SummAh: oh oh oh~ dodee: tornado hammer f,b+P 25 h hp 17 -2 +6 +14 turn around -2DP SummAh: hehehe lonelyfig: akira doesnt have a k,k,p dodee: wait no SummAh: err dodee: backwards. SummAh: u guys are not gonna like what I found on the Japanese BBS dodee: kenka hook b,f+P 30 h hp 21 -4 KD[head] -2DP mikeohara: that being mikeohara: ? SummAh: it can confirm that Jeff is a monster SummAh: 80% combo flowchart dodee: 21 frames is almost twice as slow as SDE *** Reno- (alfonso@d141-186-32.home.cgocable.net) has joined channel #vfhome *** Mode change "+o Reno-" on #vfhome by AwayEug dodee: that's almost half a secon dodee: if you get hit by that, you deserve it dodee: same thing with akira's charge b,f+P+K dodee: sure you can rape after it hits, but really. SummAh: no one interested in jeff's 80% combo? SummAh: good! SummAh: I'm not willing to share it kekeke ETP: SummAh: derf! ETP: gah rsw: tell us. SummAh: hang on ghostdogg: quick ? ppl:how many frames does it take to stand/crouch? SummAh: before I go on SummAh: I will say this for one last time SummAh: JEFF IS A MONSTER ETP: heh SummAh: eqully capable of pulling damage like Akira SummAh: but lack's Akira nitaku factors dodee: well, then he's a demi-monster. ETP: lol dodee: akira's the only monster. SummAh: he's rated equal 2nd next to akira n sarah dodee: the "oh, and it's free" is what makes him the monster dodee: sarah? wtf SummAh: yes dodee: since when is sarah a monster SummAh: sarah is equal 2nd with akira n jeff SummAh: since Ver C Shou-WORK: sarah can easily dish out 50% combos dodee: hmm. I haven't seen the monster data. Shou-WORK: weight and stance independent ghostdogg: is standing/crouching instanteneous? SummAh: dodee: give sarah a run on ur ps2 SummAh: u'll be surprised how much stronger she is in Ver C rsw: ghost: no, takes time rsw: dunno exact figures lonelyfig: if one character is in one tier it means a character in a lower cannot ever ever win. an when 4 characters are in the highest tier and everyone else is in a lower tier that means those 4 characters can only win no one else can. As opposed to ranking which just list a characters have more advantages more unpunishable moves better throw option etc. Ranking never say one character cant win it just lists in order who has an easier time doing so dodee: but like...ALL of sarah dodee: oop rsw: > if one character is in one tier it means a character in a lower cannot ever ever win dodee: sarah's stuff is counterable dodee: easily. somedude2: if one character is in one tier it means a character in a lower cannot ever ever win. somedude2: since when? rsw: this is false, just some idea which you have dodee: 12-15-17-ish advantages for everything Reno-: uh, cannot ever win? rsw: and can't back up. at ALL. Reno-: wrong =b lonelyfig: thats always been my dfintion of tiers rsw: that's so wrong it's laughable somedude2: it just mwans they have a marked disadvantage rsw: in fact rsw lol's for real! Reno-: your definition sucks lonely =b dodee: I wouldn't put sarah up anywhere near akira somedude2: your definition of tiers is about as good as your definition of opinions Shou-WORK: rich: so you're saying the other times you type lol, you're not really laughing? :) SummAh: dodee: I'm not kidding abt it ukie: shou - beat me to it. SummAh: anyway..my bad.. dodee: no reversals, slowish recovery times SummAh: not combo SummAh: but a very very good flow chart rsw: "frogs can rain out of the sky" ... "bullshit" ... "yes well by frogs i mean raindrops." SummAh: dodee: her FS is the key to vic ETP: lol ETP: rsw: great quote, well chosen SummAh: b,f+P(MC)->d/fk->(opp rise on spot)->d/bP+K(from back)->P+K+G(back Lthrow)->d/fK(downattack)->(opp side roll)->u+K+G SummAh: that's the flow chart for jeff SummAh: boom boom boom boom boom-> u dead lonelyfig: well sorry my defintion is so hideaously wrong and luaghable dodee: that's awfully specific GodEater: ugh. summ, *if* you follow the flow chart SummAh: lol SummAh: I know~ baobab: yeah, that's just what i was thinking SummAh: but anyway dodee: jeff isn't a monta! admit it! dodee: neither's sarah! SummAh: anything can happen during a game GodEater: jeez, I thought you had something concrete SummAh: aiyo rsw: xpd x 2, then a knee float! it's a combo! dodee: FS has SICK recovery times, but still SummAh: i misread..my bad..I thought it was a combo~ ukie: summah - that thing almost have to be choreographed ^^ SummAh: sorry GodEater shakes head dodee: hahaha ETP: is anyone in the process of making a Vanessa Dojo (saw the question asked on the boards, and now im curious) SummAh: lol dodee: its ok, summah. we forgive you SummAh: my god~ dodee: screw vanessa. =) ETP: heh SummAh: I am forgiven..kekeke SummAh: yah SummAh: screw that bitch *** Mode change "-o SummAh" on #vfhome by GodEater SummAh: stormy wanna be dodee: HAHAHAHA ukie: she's got better abs though. dodee: summah got demoted ETP: so thats a no? dodee: she has scary abs. ghostdogg: summah:y hate on vanessa? ukie: true. SummAh: yes SummAh: I have a GREAT dislike for both Van n Lei SummAh: I absolutely hate playing against those two ghostdogg: and ur reason is...? Shou-WORK: 10 frame cut upper ;) Work-Pai: doh Work-Pai: why is summah demoted? dodee: etp: enlist that mediocre/boring korean vanessa that jeff gave head *** Mode change "+o SummAh" on #vfhome by dodee lonelyfig sits quietly so as not to offend anyone with his ideas inbred and backwards as they are ETP: boourns ETP: people who play vanessa boring should be shot dodee: lf: if you have something that's able to be backed up, go ahead lonelyfig: i cant quote frames so i am not allowed to talk dodee: no one wants to hear "well the akiras I play against..." characterized as fact, that's all lonelyfig: anything i could ever contribute could only be backed up by actual play baobab: lf: you can quote frames...just go to virtuaproject, they are all there dodee: frames are on virtua project dodee: I dont KNOW all those frames, jesus lonelyfig: i know rsw: it's also completely invalidated by 19309719879 japanese and korean movies, and the way people play in other locations ghostdogg: BAOBAB!!!!!!!!! baobab: gd yeah? dodee: if even the japanese tournament players cant do anything against SDE abuse, I dunno what else you can say to that lonelyfig: yep i am wrong cause the movies say so dodee: other than posing like you're better than those guys lonelyfig: i am not Shou-WORK: dodee: but akira has still yet to win a tourney right? mikeohara has returned. [gone:30m3s] ghostdogg: did u know that there is an akira vs AOI matchup in one of the latest daioh clips? lonelyfig: well then at some point someone has stopped it dodee: like we said, lf dodee: akira's beatable ukie: gd is it good? baobab: no i didn't....does creed have it? dodee: he just has a huge advantage SummAh: poor Aoi SummAh: got raped SummAh: I was rooting for Aoi too! Shou-WORK: that the japanese obviously know how to beat rsw: lonely: only partially. like i said, and you ignored, the way other people play (in north america, or abroad) invalidates it, ghostdogg: summah:yah ukie: oh no. ghostdogg: ukie:if ur an aoi fan... dodee: one someone at the higher levels of a tournament isn't exactly "everyone can beat it" ghostdogg: it was interesting for the 1st two rounds...maybe SummAh: gd: strangely enuff ukie: I'll check it out - which one was this? SummAh: when i saw the match ip SummAh: up, even ghostdogg: bao:it's available on daioh's site dodee: I'd like to see statistics of what characters with what backets of win percentages/rounds played reach what levels of a tournament lonelyfig: rsw i have seriously seen and played alot of people maybe those akira didnt abuse the SDE enough but the only problems i have had with akira was with shous SummAh: I knew Aoi was gonna lose baobab: ghost: doesn't matter if she lost, at least there is another movie with her in it dodee: cause I'm picturing zillions of mid-level akiras in the top 2/3rds placing dodee: but a ton of wanna-be assy akiras losing their first matches SummAh: I have a wannabe Akira too :P mikeohara has a wannabe Aoi dodee: wannabe aoi is at least a noble undertaking. =) lonelyfig: lol mmgoose has a decent akira but eventually wants to kick ass with shun mikeohara: well, she's 1st dan at the moment.. lonelyfig: i still think shun is underused in japan Shou-WORK: i tend to think beat knuckle is worse than sde but that's what i have to fight against :D lonelyfig: or ateast in vids ukie: summah - oh, I finally did a conditioning that I can call a success ^^ lonelyfig: it is wors to me as well shou:) *** MrWhite (heh@dsl-59-139.aei.ca) has joined channel #vfhome ghostdogg: mista white Shou-WORK: bk -> backfist blocked is still only -3 ukie: was happy with myself yesterday because of it :> SummAh: ukie: tell tell MrWhite: lo gd SummAh: I fell victim to my own tactic todae LOL ghostdogg: summah:how much live competition do u have? SummAh: let's see ukie: summah - played as Aoi against Jacky in a breakable ring - TEed a good amount of the throws consciously except the neck breaker drop, and lost one match for it. ghostdogg: do u play against ppl a lot, or is it mostly vs CPU? SummAh: 3+7+5 SummAh: ppl SummAh: I have no reason to go into kumite..apart from gather Kage items kekeke ghostdogg: 3+7+5 ? ghostdogg: explain ukie: by last match, I CDed all the way to a section of the wall that was broken earlier, and stood with back to wall just about enough so I don't get ROed by a typical string. And what does the guy do? He neck dropped me. And this time I TEed ^-^ SummAh: oh maybe help Pai get some other pretty things keke *** Flop (kwo@adsl-47818.turboline.skynet.be) has joined channel #vfhome SummAh: 15 I think Flop: Dammit, my ghost is still here mikeohara: I need to work on getting some more stuff mikeohara: for my Aoi dodee: hah dodee: that's cute ukie dodee: did you rub it in after dodee: ? ukie: summah - I wish I could've recorded the look on his face when he ROed. SummAh: LOL ukie: dodee, I just smiled :> SummAh: well done mate! dodee: what fool goes for that throw near a RO? SummAh: dodee: mistakes do happen *** al`Thor (nobody@user-2ivesl4.dialup.mindspring.com) has joined channel #vfhome dodee: you prolly coulda let him hit you wiht it and still won the round ukie: dodee, I was low enough it would've killed me. dodee: oh SummAh: IE : I fell outta the ring after doing Jacky's turn around Kick ..Mc opponent..Jacky starts dancing...out the ring he went Flop: Can someone kick my ghost off please ( Almaci ) ? dodee: no rsw: been fun Log file closed at: 4/19/02 3:47:13 PM