Log file opened at: 4/24/02 6:42:38 PM *** Topic for #vfhome: Do not unban Sirlin n bonano | VF4 #3 overall in sales for March! | #VFhome is a designated meeping zone *** Topic for #vfhome set by DevilRei on Wednesday, April 24, 2002 6:07:22 PM #vfhome: rsw AzNThUg Vainj Fishie FeAr187 kil ETP jidan noman @DevilRei @tragic @baobab @Reno- somedude2 FatCatHW CigarBoB xnij11 @GodEater Chr|s Bunk[aw] ironpalm @Yun Caedmon kof_ @Shou-sama @Yasakani @ChoiBoy @AwayEug @dodeeAFK truking @clo *** End of /NAMES list. *** Mode is +tn *** Channel created at Thursday, July 12, 2001 2:30:16 PM *** Mode change "+o rsw" on #vfhome by baobab AzNThUg: look ill make it cool *** AzNThUg is now known as AzN_ThUg FeAr187: haha *** FeAr187 is now known as MaD_MiXeR *** MaD_MiXeR is now known as FeAr187 AzN_ThUg: look at that! FeAr187: haha baobab: hiya rich rsw: lo dere *** VFidle (jackr@rygar.gpcc.itd.umich.edu) has joined channel #vfhome *** Mode change "+o VFidle" on #vfhome by AwayEug *** CrZyAzN (loop@ACC3D425.ipt.aol.com) has joined channel #vfhome VFidle: meep AzN_ThUg: that is NOT me. baobab: rich: are you itchin to play UT? FeAr187: wow! *** CrZyAzN is now known as TyP3RfOcU FeAr187: ha AzN_ThUg: whoa that guy is more l33t than me *** Signoff: Reno- (To the world, you may be just one person, but to one person, you may be the world) AzN_ThUg: awwjeah FeAr187: ha *** TyP3RfOcU has left channel #VFhome AzN_ThUg: |-|3 B3++eR L34v3! AzN_ThUg: B|4+(|-| *** jidan is now known as jidanafk AzN_ThUg: okay i need a haircut FeAr187: yes yopu do FeAr187: you* *** AzN_ThUg is now known as FeAr1B7 FeAr187: whoa FeAr1B7: yep FeAr1B7: okay im going to go get my haircut FeAr187: good for you! FeAr1B7: talkin shit puo?! FeAr1B7: puto, even. *** FeAr1B7 has been kicked off channel #vfhome by DevilRei (DevilRei) *** FeAr187 has been kicked off channel #vfhome by DevilRei (DevilRei) *** FeAr1B7 (blargh@ACC3D425.ipt.aol.com) has joined channel #vfhome baobab: laff *** FeAr187 (FeAr4YoUrL@adsl-64-163-244-139.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net) has joined channel #vfhome FeAr1B7: hmm FeAr187: woohoo FeAr1B7: that was grrrrrreat! FeAr187: i guess... FeAr1B7: i wish i had the intelligence to ban 2 whole people at once! FeAr187: i think its because im not the mad_mixer anymore FeAr1B7: yea DevilRei: IS that a suggestion? FeAr1B7: and im not an azn thug ETP: inh: stop changings nicks, dodee and other ops have told you to stop before FeAr1B7: IS what a suggestion? FeAr1B7: ETP:... FeAr1B7: this is my afk nick FeAr1B7: get used to it. DevilRei: FeAr1B7: i wish i had the intelligence to ban 2 whole people at once! FeAr1B7: ... DevilRei: that can be arranged reeeeeeeeal fast baobab: hrmm, you wanna have an excuse to go afk INH? FeAr1B7: so i can be taught how to ban 2 people at once? FeAr1B7: hmm FeAr1B7: too bad i dont have the time FeAr1B7: okay now what were you talking about bao? *** FeAr187 is now known as AzNThUg4L *** Mode change "+b FeAr1B7!*@*" on #vfhome by baobab *** FeAr1B7 has been kicked off channel #vfhome by baobab (now you have the time) kil: damn rei's on tha rampage DevilRei: that wasn't me kil: i know *** AzNThUg4L is now known as AzN4LiFe AzN4LiFe: woohoo DevilRei: OK. Fishie: Sony party check Fishie: XBox party on monday, damn we arrive on monday AzN4LiFe: har Fishie: Nintendo reception workin on it DevilRei: Can I just ask why the hell we keep letting INH back in? AzN4LiFe: hmm.... Fishie: Hmm Devil Nintendo is being a bitch Fishie: What should we do ? kil: xbox=gheyness AzN4LiFe: whats wrong with inh? DevilRei: Aren't they always? kil: yep Fishie: Yah ETP: the last half an hour has been purely kicking and banning, then unbanning inh and fear Fishie: I actually think being an asshole is a requirement for working for nintendo AzN4LiFe: damn those two baobab: damn ETP you got a point... ETP: fear: why are you changing nicks now too VFidle: meep AzN4LiFe: okay sorry Fishie: Questions for nintendo employee applicants: You see a lil puppy by the side of the street, you pet it or you kick it *** AzN4LiFe is now known as FeAr187 Fishie: Umm id pet it sir DevilRei: INH was apparently dropped many times as an infant FeAr187: happy?? kil: i'd kick it baobab: fear apparently was dropped almost as many times Fishie: Ok we have no use for you, leave now and we will make sure you will never work in Redmont again DevilRei: but it was fun FeAr187: hmm...:/ DevilRei: meep! Fishie: Devil yee really wanna go to Nintendo reception ? kil: what kicking fear almost as many times that he got dropped on his head? DevilRei: I can live without it but I suppose it would be nice if they have freebies FeAr187: uhhh.. baobab: nah, we'd have to spend hours kicking him over and over to accomplish that FeAr187: talking shit ehh FeAr187: haaha kil: oh snap *** DevilRei is now known as Zero-food Zero-food: yay dinner FeAr187: where? Zero-food: hillcrest dining hall. Zero-food: yay dorm food. ETP secretly knows that DevilRei's dinner is made out of Usagi. Zero-food: NOOOOOOOOOO ETP: enjoy :D Zero-food beats ETP with the Akira Dojo Board Zero-food: YOU LIE ETP: gah! kil: lol Fishie: You go to hell, you go to hell and you die kil: ? FeAr187: hmm...:/ *** FeAr187 has left channel #vfhome *** BUs_ToKeN (FeAr4YoUrL@adsl-64-163-244-139.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net) has joined channel #vfhome BUs_ToKeN: hello room BUs_ToKeN: hmm...:/ baobab: hi fear BUs_ToKeN: are you refering to me as fear? dodeeAFK: kids these days ETP: hello fear tragic: hmm...:/ tragic: *** Parts: FeAr187 (FeAr4YoUrL@adsl-64-163-244-139.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net) tragic: *** Joins: BUs_ToKeN (FeAr4YoUrL@adsl-64-163-244-139.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net) tragic: hello room tragic: dude shut the fuck up tragic: before you get permbanned BUs_ToKeN: as far as the eye can see my name is bus token ETP: [19:07] *** FeAr187 is now known as BUs_ToKeN ETP: from #tekken BUs_ToKeN: damn dodeeAFK: so smart BUs_ToKeN: i know *** Mode change "-b FeAr1B7!*@*" on #vfhome by rsw rsw: bao, you need to learn the proper way to ban BUs_ToKeN: hmm...:/ baobab: rsw: yeah, i was gonna unban him in a bit anyways baobab: i was gonna ban fear too... rsw: NOOOOOOO emuchina stops downloads@!@ AAHaHGAhG NOO!@OO@O!O! BUs_ToKeN: nooooo baobab: but cinscience got the best of me FatCatHW: rsw: Isn't that only temp? baobab: conscience even FatCatHW: was this morning rsw: fatcat: i hope so FatCatHW: goodroms, right? rsw: they still have their psx section up, and they've been renovating the other sections rsw: most likely it's just maintenance or something gumming up the works FatCatHW: I think so rsw: fat: arcade, tosec, goodroms FatCatHW: making it more efficient baobab: oh yeah rich is on cable for a bit. d/l mania FatCatHW: Yeah, must be maintenance rsw: i went to #emuchina on newnet but i can't figure out the dl system BUs_ToKeN: hello BUs_ToKeN: this room died BUs_ToKeN: hey!!! BUs_ToKeN: <('_')> BUs_ToKeN: <('_'<) BUs_ToKeN: (>'_')> Fishie: Inverted caps+annoying behaviour Fishie: Ops do youre jobs dammit *** BUs_ToKeN has been kicked off channel #vfhome by Zero-food (Zero-food) *** Zero-food is now known as Usagi-san *** BUs_ToKeN (FeAr4YoUrL@adsl-64-163-244-139.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net) has joined channel #vfhome BUs_ToKeN: fishie is a faggot! BUs_ToKeN: a fishie are they back together? Fishie: Ummm... Usagi-san: Fear, try comign abck when you can form coherent sentences BUs_ToKeN: damn BUs_ToKeN: didnt get it BUs_ToKeN: sad sad person *** FatCatHW is now known as FatCatZzZ BUs_ToKeN: heeeeey *** BUs_ToKeN has been kicked off channel #vfhome by Usagi-san (HI!!@!!!!) *** BUs_ToKeN (FeAr4YoUrL@adsl-64-163-244-139.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net) has joined channel #vfhome BUs_ToKeN: that was just damn good fun BUs_ToKeN: har kil: u moron lol BUs_ToKeN: that just may be kil: true *** jidanafk is now known as jidan BUs_ToKeN: silly goose BUs_ToKeN: haha *** Usagi-san is now known as Zero-away BUs_ToKeN: whoa usagi-san was devilrei BUs_ToKeN: how come i wasnt informed ETP: you are probably the only person who didnt know taht BUs_ToKeN: i bet i ma BUs_ToKeN: or was BUs_ToKeN: and im damn proud GodEater: rich *GodEater* yo *** jhk (jhk@12-234-86-87.client.attbi.com) has joined channel #vfhome *** Mode change "+o jhk" on #vfhome by AwayEug *GodEater* got a question. do you know how to become a "member" at emuchina? *** GodEater is now known as GE-away GE-away: (like I wasn't before) BUs_ToKeN: hello.... GE-away: but before I go... jhk: you'll sing a song for us BUs_ToKeN: woohoo *** BUs_ToKeN has been kicked off channel #vfhome by GE-away (utter the word faggot again and I will break my ban cherry) baobab: you'll teach us why birds sing? GE-away: why'd you lose the square brackets GE-away: ? *** BUs_ToKeN (FeAr4YoUrL@adsl-64-163-244-139.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net) has joined channel #vfhome somedude2: f33r... gamespot going pay BUs_ToKeN: i never said faggot jhk: b/c the person that took my nick--isn't using it somedude2: http://gamespot.com/gamespot/stories/flat/0,11963,2862235,00.html GE-away: ahhhh jhk: ^_^ GE-away: but the brackets were sooo cool jhk: just for you *** jhk is now known as [jhk] GE-away: yay! [jhk]: =D GE-away: heh baobab: wow, first creed get's his back, then you GE-away: okay...away I go! tragic: hey face, im installing from a fresh format. all my programs. after im done im gonna install adaware. how many spyware apps you think will pop up jidan: 6! tragic: 6 hrm. somedude2: i dunno somedude2: i'm guessing 0 Fishie: 30 Fishie: Thats my age Fishie: har har BUs_ToKeN: har har? ETP: i guess 24 ETP: well, 24 components dodeeAFK: I called it! dodeeAFK: I called gamespot going pay dodeeAFK: the other part of my prophecy is all of IGN closing by 2003 baobab: that i think is likely somedude2: gamespot's deal is kewl, they say no ads somedude2: ign insider still has ads jidan: i just ran adaware jidan: 9 dodeeAFK: I'm not paying for that shill dodeeAFK: here's my incompetent game review! gimme money! jidan: and if itd for xbox...they add 3 to the final score jidan: itd = its somedude2: you mean ps2 jidan: well, ign review led me to buy wreckless dodeeAFK: I wouldn't buy anything on their recommendation somedude2: the commercial led me to not buy wreckless *** dodeeAFK is now known as dodee baobab: wait a sec...the DC is dead? when did that happen? dodee: wreckless looks pretty dodee: dreamcast? like... 9 months ago or something jidan: and plays pretty.... jidan: ..shitty Fishie: baobab it was jesterday afternoon 12.48pm baobab: i know...imma kidding dodee: except some company is releasing ashooter dodee: that's gonna be tight Fishie: Actually DC refuses to day, got games lined up till fall Fishie: umm to die even baobab: i still want HH and rez somedude2: headhunter aint all that *** pickelo (mangina@Kitchener-HSE-ppp3577566.sympatico.ca) has joined channel #vfhome Fishie: baobab gimme da cash and theyre yours Fishie: HH Is awesome jidan: ugh dodee: wah jidan: hh was god awful dodee: another pickelo Fishie: Kicks the shit out of that pretentious piece of trash called MGS2 jidan: lol somedude2: headhunter is like syphon filter meets excitebike *** Signoff: AwayEug (Ping timeout: 201 seconds) baobab: fishie: how much are the in belgium? baobab: they even jidan: but the excitebike part sucks somedude2: and i dont mean that in a good way BUs_ToKeN: remember me? BUs_ToKeN: har *** Signoff: Shou-sama (Ping timeout: 201 seconds) *** Signoff: ETP (Ping timeout: 181 seconds) *** Signoff: ChoiBoy (Ping timeout: 181 seconds) dodee: I didn't like syphon filter *** pickelo is now known as ETP Fishie: Some people they call me the cybercowboy baobab: laff...cab i build my own tracks? Fishie: Well the rest of us just call you asshole, asshole jidan: excitebike had good control Fishie: Thats gooood, now you die *** FeAr1B7 (blargh@ACC3D425.ipt.aol.com) has joined channel #vfhome baobab: can..errr Fishie: Gotta love the humour jidan: JUMPIN JIM RIVERS! FeAr1B7: dude BUs_ToKeN: heeeeey FeAr1B7: whose theguy with the gay ass name? *** FeAr1B7 is now known as drowz *** BUs_ToKeN is now known as FeAr187 dodee: everyone that's stupid change your damn nicks back and leave em Fishie: Yo I tought we would act like good lil hipocrats and act like nothing ever happened ? somedude2: lol *** ShinJin-_ (ShinJin@AC853EEB.ipt.aol.com) has joined channel #vfhome jidan: ahhah ShinJin-_: meep ETP: my nick was only changed for a bit due to my normal nick not pinging out before i got back *** jidan is now known as Gordola *** Signoff: CigarBoB () Fishie: But hey iff ya want, ill shake my sexy ass in youre general direction some more drowz drowz: hey shinjin Gordola: huhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhu drowz: forida rox!!!!! ShinJin-_: sups dodee: is that really gordo? ShinJin-_: heh drowz: i hear inca sux eh? Gordola: uhhhh...huhuhuhuhuh Nope *** Gordola is now known as jidan dodee: remember that old computer game "inca" ? dodee: game sucked. dodee: we said "inca stinka" drowz: ... *** ChoiBoy (choiboy@12-234-180-30.client.attbi.com) has joined channel #vfhome [jhk]: does gordola even log onto irc anymore? dodee: he was on last week or something [jhk]: really? dodee: yep [jhk]: and i missed it =( [jhk]: oh well dodee: it was really late dodee: like 3am eastern [jhk]: oh, i c *** Signoff: xnij11 (ircN 7.26 + 7.0 for mIRC (2001/04/03 20.00)) *** Signoff: Fishie () *** Fishie (kwo@adsl-80413.turboline.skynet.be) has joined channel #vfhome dodee: I need a crack for this 3d fish tank screensaver. =) ETP: lol Fishie: http://www.dodee.com Fishie: http://www.fishie.com Fishie: Damn fishie aint registered dodee: yes! dodee: serialz had one Fishie: Somebody quickly register it and post my booby pic there dodee: http://www.clubaquatica.com/scenerymaker/upload_objects/ *** ShinJin (heyyoheyyo@weston-12.164.49.229.myacc.net) has joined channel #vfhome *** Reno- (alfonso@d141-186-32.home.cgocable.net) has joined channel #vfhome *** Mode change "+o Reno-" on #vfhome by dodee *** Reno- is now known as RenoLEAFS dodee: I bet they lose again. *** kil has left channel #vfhome *** baobab is now known as nuado dodee: eh? *** nuado is now known as nuada` *** number_6 (gpl@24-205-216-186.cs-dyn.charterpipeline.net) has joined channel #vfhome *** nuada` is now known as baobab *** Signoff: Caedmon (Ping timeout: 180 seconds) *** Caedmon (suxors@24-196-81-194.jvl.wi.charter.com) has joined channel #vfhome *** Signoff: tragic () FeAr187: hello! *** Signoff: ShinJin-_ (ircN 7.27 + 7.0 for mIRC (2002/01/10 00.00)) *** tragic (tragic@adsl-63-201-228-223.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) has joined channel #vfhome *** mmgoose (mmgoose@AC8F592F.ipt.aol.com) has joined channel #vfhome *** Mode change "+o tragic" on #vfhome by GE-away *** GE-away is now known as GodEater GodEater: dodee: saw Blacknight on for sale, $22.95...did not buy it. very proud of myself dodee: boooo dodee: you should at least rent it GodEater: I *might* rent it. see if you are totally insane or not dodee: if you go into it with an open mind you'll like it dodee: then you'll wanna buy it GodEater: I did buy "the Game" though. $14. yay dodee: you'll say "shit! that infernal dodee was right again! I coulda owned it for 22.95, but nooo! I had to be a smart ass and rent it first!" somedude2: i'm gonna watch it on ppv for free in a few weeks *** Signoff: Vainj (sleep... or something) somedude2: lol dodee: the game was decent somedude2: guy on larry king talking about his role in queer as folk dodee: it's no black knight, but hey. GodEater: I like fincher somedude2: larry asked him "is it tought for you, a straight guy to play a gay gu on tv" somedude2: larry r0x, always asking the hard questions GodEater: does anyone see the inherent problems with straight people playing gay characters? GodEater: a straight person has to decide on how to "play GodEater: a straight person has to decide on how to "play" the gay character somedude2: 2 of the 4 guys on the show are straight somedude2: GodEater yrah its called acting GodEater: basically, they are involved in the creation of a culture, selling it back to the masses who watch GodEater: face: sure, and yet we don't hire white people to play black folks ETP: we did for a while somedude2: you hire halle berry ETP: but it was deemed horribly rascist for some reason Fishie: Gay ass homosexuals ? Fishie: Someone called for me ? somedude2: and isnt that black dude gonna be kingpin in the the daredevil movie? GodEater: relevance GodEater: ? ETP: gay actors are hired to be play straight rolls aswell.. its just not often known that they are gay at the time ETP: and they dont have much trouble portraying the role GodEater: etp: sure. coming to why its different somedude2: yeah ETP: even gay people playing gay roles perpetuate the gay stereotype often enough somedude2: rosie o donnel played betty rubble ETP: yeah somedude2: then again, she and barney ever had a natural kid so who knows ETP: could say something about barney too GodEater: gay culture, asserted ontology isn't fully formed yet...the timing is inoportune I feel ETP: he really seems to hang on fred ETP: GodEater: the timing is perfect for an influx of gay characters GodEater: no ETP: eventually it will be sorted out properly though GodEater: because the gay characters are being created, portrayed by straight folks ETP: people need to see gay characters portrayed as real people in popular media, regardless of who is portraying them ETP: the fact that the actors themselves arent gay is secondary GodEater: in other words, the culture being created and devoured is out of the hands of the people who are intimately being portrayed somedude2: 2 of the 4 actors are gay somedude2: the other 2 ae straight ETP: not in all situations GodEater: face: i meant in general GodEater: not Queer as Folk somedude2: man somedude2: the editing on this show r0c Fishie: Annyone here ever seen Torch song trilogy ? somedude2: all theyre showing is clips of the actors kissing ETP: back in the day black actors were told how to act by white men.. this was not a good thing, and is parralleled todays situation with straight 'gay' actors.. but the introduction of them is no less important somedude2: while the guys talk about the show GodEater: its kind of like the love affair germany had with jewish culture a couple of years back ETP: as they become more common, and people learn more, the real people get their foot in the door *** mmgoose has left channel #vfhome GodEater: they were chasing the tail of a phantom culture, basically telling jewish people how they should be. I've got some wonderful articles and essays on it ETP: GodEater: thats a horrible way to talk about ww2 GodEater: pretty scary GodEater: couple of years back GodEater: couple ETP: oh ETP: heh rsw: that's crap, ge GodEater: i think its interesting your reaction to that though GodEater: why? ETP: at any rate though, without todays gay characters (true to life or not) the door would not open for real portrayals in the future dodee: maybe there weren't enough good enough gay actors dodee: 8gasp* ETP: thats true rsw: the entire foundation of being an actor is to portray someone other than yourself GodEater: so what? GodEater: rich: I'm not debating the office of an actor rsw: it's like arguing, "does anyone see a problem with homicidal pedophiles being portrayed by non homicidal pedophiles?" ETP: thats not quite the same dodee: I dont think an actor playing a gay character is way different than acting like a murderer or something GodEater: I'm asking if the timing isn't wrong. dodee: sure it is the same GodEater: we are basically a consumer culture and right now a specific culture is being packaged in easy bites by people who aren't part of it. GodEater: I think it is problematic somedude2: kinda like a rich actor playing a poor person ETP: GodEater: but those easy bites pave the way for the real thing later somedude2: "how can they act like theyre poor, theve never been poor" ETP: its an important stepping stone ETP: you cannot skip it ETP: or ignore it ETP: it needs to be in "easy bites" at first ETP: for it to work Fishie: Umm quit it already ya twits, did annyone here see Torch song trilogy ? GodEater: no, I don't think so dodee: I think it boils down to who was the better actor dodee: I'd hate to think that a gay guy got the role because he was gay ETP: dodee is also right Fishie: Ya wanna see a GOOD portrayal of homosexuals ? WATCH IT GodEater: ugh. somedude2: these 4 guys got the roles cause the other people trying out left after seeinf the script somedude2: one of the guys was literally the #200 pick Fishie: Its got gay and straight actos, Mathew broderick plays a gay chara and he is as convincing as the gays in the movie ETP: somedude2: heh somedude2: other peeps were too scared to do it GodEater: I'm not specifically addressing queer as folk. somedude2: then you know the way out ETP: some is just illustrating a point ETP: the same point dodee was making, that you cant blame the straight producers and directors for not always finding suitable gay actors for gay parts ETP: and eliminating gay parts altogether from media would be counter productive ETP: and more damaging to the gay community ETP: than straight actors GodEater: how do you know that dodee: I agree with ETP Fishie: In the end this discussion is pointles, its market driven, iff the consumers want a certain portrayal they will get that portrayal regardless of the sexual orientation of the actors dodee: exposure = familiarity = acceptance GodEater: fishie: fuck off ETP: because gay roles in the media, and more knowledge of gay lifestyle to the public is something the gay community has fought very hard for rsw: it's not packaging a culture, it's packaging of a show Fishie: This is not about who can portray a better gay person in a series, its about ratings, giving people what they want GodEater: fishie: which is my basic problem with the whole thing ETP: and the market has an increasing amount of vocal gay and lesbian people rsw: it's like these twits that sue HBO for sopranos saying it's harmful and libelous towards the italian american comunity Fishie: I know same here somedude2: because theyre acting gay? Fishie: I could give ya a nice exampleEver watched Homicide life on the streets ? GodEater: I tend to stay away from tv to be truthful somedude2: some of the writers are gay GodEater: face: that's great ETP: yeah, you cant be entirely sure that the people behind the shows with straight actors portraying gays arent gay themselves ETP: its an assumption that you make GodEater: ETP: I have made no assumptions ETP: you know for a fact that producers and directors everywhere are straight? ETP: and screenwriters and casting directors? GodEater: re-read my original question Fishie: Hmm damn too bad, it was a series that felt real, big commercial failure becouse the police officers were actually portrayed as human beings instead of as tottaly good/tottaly corrupt people Fishie: Everything is too damn market orientated ETP: (GodEater): does anyone see the inherent problems with straight people playing gay characters? <--my point is still valid, if the people behind the role (writers, and directors, who may also be gay, aswell as focus groups, also who may contain gay people see the straight actor as a good choice for the role then there is no big problem) GodEater: okay...whatever somedude2: i dont see the problem of an actor acting GodEater: we are becoming our own by-product and most everyone is just fighting to be entertained somedude2: unless they do a bad job GodEater: be ghosts and tourists all you want, kids ETP: a straight actor, acting like a gay man, will not destroy society dodee: I cant help but think GE is trolling rsw: only the weakest of the weak minded believe that what's seen on tv is representative or accurate. i think most people grow out of it at the latest, by their teens GodEater: dodee: no troll Fishie: rsw youd be surprised dodee: you seriously have a problem with straight actors in roles that are gay characters? rsw: no i wouldn't dodee: how is that different than a non-murdering actor playing a murderer? jidan: dodee: because anal sex isnt involved jidan: (most of the time) ETP: lol tragic: l..ol rsw: most of the bible belt freaks are the LEAST exposed, and they have the most fucked up prejudices of all GodEater: dodee: not hugely. I was mostly curious. I honestly haven't formed a clear opinion yet GodEater: rich: nice reduction GodEater: not a troll, just a question I don't have an answer for GodEater: why ask why if you already think you know, eh? ETP: GE: i would like to say that even though i have argued against your point, that i do agree with some sentiments expressed within it, and im certainly not going to dismiss it totally dodee: well, as I see it, given that the (at least openly) gay portion of actors is fairly small, you're gonna have to live with it dodee: I dont see any moral qualms somedude2: what about gay actors portraying straight people? dodee: I mean, it isn't the same as like blackface jidan: thats gay! GodEater: dodee: why not the same? somedude2: lol jidan: what about skinny black guys playing fat old black ladies? GodEater: see, the biggest problem with arguing from the point of power is that it clouds perception somedude2: larry asks "whats the hardest part of playing a gay person" jidan: (big mommas house) somedude2: dude 1 "kissing" drowz: backwards GodEater: its like white people saying that prejudice seems to be declining somedude2: dude 2 "acting is acting, its all hard" dodee: because blackface was makeup and shit ETP: i take my cues on this from the opinions of gay people i know GodEater: dodee: same stuff dodee: not at all drowz: i take my cues on this from the opinions of gay people i know dodee: blackface was mostly to make FUN of black people drowz: gay people YOU know? ETP: yes drowz: alright.... Fishie: Again IMO its a moot point, the media portrays based on social perception, regardles of who plays the roles or whatever, as times change so does the public perception of isseus and again the media follows this changing perception, media rarely if ever breaks from the mold and is rarely iff ever a cataclyst for positive change, it just rides the wave of social structure , it has to as its commercially driven, and that is a sad fact drowz: yea dodee: straight people playing serious gay roles isn't to make fun of them drowz: fishie is spamming ETP: Fishie: i think somewhere in that big paragraph is a very valid point drowz: nope drowz: spam is all it is rsw: but it wasn't designed to. in the most professional way it was to just to enable a white guy to play a black guy more believably. anyone who has seen lawrence olivier in othello would understand Fishie: ETP Its the shortest way to write what I meant *** JackeyGo (JackeyGo_@146-115-65-181.c3-0.bkl-ubr2.sbo-bkl.ma.cable.rcn.com) has joined channel #vfhome Fishie: And I still couldnt pul it of the way I wanted ETP: Fishie: how bout: Society changes, the media just rides along in its wake and collects all the credit and cash GodEater: dodee: again, my main concern (its the deconstructionist in me) is just that the timing is wrong. gay culture is still being defined and sought out. it is barely in its infancy (in the sense of being uncovered) Fishie: Hahaha yah but thats taking it to the extreme ETP: heh ETP: :D somedude2: speaking of othello, 0 was pretty dope dodee: so, you'd rather gay people be entirely absent from the media till some arbitrary time that there's an ESTABLISHED gay culture, if ever? ETP: the time is always right for introducing awareness of issues GodEater: I don't think that those who are at the forefront if its intial defining should be anything but those who are being defined GodEater: not totally absent GodEater: and for the most part positive, self controlled definitions are occuring Fishie: GE what do you think of The village people ? ( valid question methinks ) rsw: ..the media doesn't define culture GodEater: rich, head out of ass GodEater: the media is the culture ETP: this goes back to fishies point, that the media is not defining culture, but that culture is slowly defining the media rsw: ... ... . . GodEater: guys, we're chasing our own tail. media and culture are eating itself. dodee: I think the best example of this is "Soul Man" where the kid pretends to be black to get the scholarship. dodee: *cough* baobab: that was a horrid movie ETP: there is no way that media is the culture.. media changes much slower, except for the most shallow aspects GodEater: neither is inviolate to the others influence Fishie: GE OK but my question to you still stands, what do you think of the village people ? rsw: were you attacked by some rabid star trek or star wars fan at a young age? dodee: please no dissing sw. GodEater: fishie: I think I;ve danced to YMCA to many times at weddings ETP: who hasnt ETP: heh Fishie: Village people were loved by the gay community, they all acted like gays yet only one of em is baobab: hrmmm as far as changing perception, i think the media has a lot of power rsw: the people that define themselves by a mass market media product are still seen as losers by most people (as well they should, it's pathetic) baobab: the news anyways GodEater: hey, have a coke and a smile GodEater: gap jeans GodEater: tommy boy Fishie: rsw umm I believe the opposite, the majority of people define themselves trough mass media and mass culture GodEater: alliance atlantis number_6: they just xcopied the whole show number_6: so lame dodee: hmm... my jeans are gap, and I like coke. I hate you guys. ETP: lol RenoLEAFS: fucking leafs RenoLEAFS: i can't believe this shit GodEater: reno: losing or lost GodEater: ? dodee: probably losing dodee: they deserve to lose two in a row after losing 6-1 RenoLEAFS: losing RenoLEAFS: 3 - 2 rsw: so what if you like coke? do you define yourself as a coke drinker, and that pepsi can go fuck itself? RenoLEAFS: 4 minutes left RenoLEAFS: this is pathetic RenoLEAFS: fucking joseph dodee: that shoulda counted as two losses just because it was a such a blowout rsw: or do you just happen to like the teeth-dissolving taste dodee: I like pepsi too. just not as much GodEater: hey man. cujo does what he can. he needs defense men RenoLEAFS: Raptors lost too RenoLEAFS: pisses me off RenoLEAFS: wtf RenoLEAFS: GE, he got beat short side RenoLEAFS: on a shot from the damn blueline Fishie: GE hmm my point seems lost ETP: i keep forgetting to watch the raptors play ETP: damnit GodEater: most products succeed on marketing alone baobab: rsw: some people do buy into a whole sorta media portrayed culture...gangsta rap for instance rsw: ge: you're taking it way too far. would you prefer we made our own goddamn denim jeans? ETP: LOL somedude2: ooh i learneda new word somedude2: pederasty rsw: homemade cola! YUM! GodEater: why do we need denim jeans or coke ETP: why not have them dodee: I need them rsw: i made my own car! it's the richmobile! dodee: I get headaches without my caffine fix ETP wants the richmobile, so he can define himself by it somedude2: i need the caffiene to stay up at nights rsw: ge: because it's more attractive than corduroy rsw: and more durable than chiffon! somedude2: and jeans dont tear as easy as other kinds of pants RenoLEAFS: I can't believe that 3rd goal beat joseph RenoLEAFS: my god RenoLEAFS: i could've stopped that somedude2: and breathe well ETP: RenoLEAFS: lol rsw: and who doesn't like sugary goo with caffiene? GodEater: I think its funny that we use caffiene as a stimulant and feed it to children with smaller body mass and still forming ideologies GodEater: I think its funny that we are constantly in a state a consumption and that what is consume is almost always arbitrary and contradictory GodEater: I think its funny that we think we are--even just a little bit--incontrol of what we think we are and what we are becoming somedude2: i want some more "i think it's funny that" stuff ETP: yeah rsw: why is it funny? it's as good a stimulant as any. and parents should know better than to feed it to kids too young rsw: if they do, hey, it's natural selection, but on a slower basis. and more work for dentists drowz: you guys dont stop typing *** Signoff: drowz (brb) GodEater: rich: look at the basic foods built for convenience and check the ingredients Fishie: The question isnt about do we need sneakers or jeans, the question is why we pay 199$ becouse this pair of 15$ sneakers say Michael Jordan on em ETP: if you dont like it, then dont eat it GodEater: ETP: I don't somedude2: omg somedude2: this straight dude is tonguing the gay guy rsw: built for convenience? RenoLEAFS: ...... somedude2: no wonder he said kissing is the most work RenoLEAFS: i can't fucking believe this Fishie: somedude2 oh please, how old are you ? RenoLEAFS: motherfuck RenoLEAFS: asdf;lasjfdas RenoLEAFS: gonna kill some refs RenoLEAFS: jesus christ RenoLEAFS: fuck this world dodee: yeah, it's the ref's fault Fishie: Do that, but stop flooding somedude2: i still dont get what JUMPMAN23's have to do with a straight guy acting gay rsw: shut up reno, you mindless consumer of the leafs image. you are not your hockey team! ETP: somedude2: heh Fishie: Hehehe thats the attitude Rich GodEater: actually that's just parroting. part of the problem rsw: yes, sarcasm is the way to go Fishie: Oh that was sarcasm ? dodee: my beard rocks, I can stick the little beard comb in it like an afro pick Fishie: Hehehehe GodEater: fight club is a funny movie. especially when the self parody slips in and most people miss it rsw: no, it's there, right in your face Fishie: Yeah yeah somedude2: my beard is braided dodee: I think my beard would eat your beard alive Fishie: GE Michael Moore said it best with regards to roger and me somedude2: it really is braided Fishie: The companies I despise so much are distributing this movie wich criticises them becouse they can make a buck out of it ETP: heh GodEater: kind of like when the No Logo girl was hired to speak at corporate functions GodEater: our own by-product Fishie: http://www.michaelmoore.com/ required reading RenoLEAFS: sonovabitch RenoLEAFS: sonovafuckingbitch *** RenoLEAFS is now known as Reno- Reno-: what the blue fuck was that GodEater: reno: just get used to the fact that the leafs choke dodee: that'll teach em, reno! drop the nick! Reno-: fucking jesus christ Reno-: power play Reno-: 6th man on Reno-: 4 on fucking 6 Reno-: can't even score Reno-: my god Reno-: the leafs suck GodEater: llanfair might be here soon to say the same thing GodEater: heh Reno-: and that stupid god damn idiot ref *** Drow-Z (blargh@ACC3D425.ipt.aol.com) has joined channel #vfhome Drow-Z: SHINJIN!!!! GodEater: well, that was fun, wasn't it? ETP: always rsw: no, not really Reno-: god, that penalty shot call was fucking bullshit Drow-Z: omg where is he?! ETP tries to dive through a plate glass window like an action star, gets half way through, and then falls and impales himself on the remaining glass rsw: reno: suicide is the answer GodEater: or have the top half fall in one sheet and cut you in half rsw: or maybe, rioting! ETP: ooh ETP: you are right. the top half falling would have been more interesting rsw: ge, how is what i said just parroting? Fishie: ETP Shouldnt you be working on a pic ? GodEater: wow, rich. you lagged GodEater: ? rsw: no, i'm not lagged rsw: delayed response ETP: Fishie: yes.. yes i should. Fishie: Then get to it dammit GodEater: rich: you might as well have been in a cheerleader outfit. the words were dead metaphors. a cliche rsw: it's arbitrary - local(ish..at the most, national) team, hockey is a business which promotes a product, etc rsw: you have to set realistic limits or understandings, otherwise you'll forever be biting your own tail if you take your pov too seriously GodEater: define realistic GodEater: seriously rsw: i wear jeans, goddammit, and i do it because they're comfy and good looking. i have a bunch and i don't even fucking know what brand they are (but if i did i could tell you which ones are the better ones). how can i call myself a mindless consumer, when you'll say that for anything, up to a fucking stick of beef jerky i might buy at the stop and shop while shopping GodEater: we're all pretty mindless about what we consume. at least we try not to think about the impact our entertainments have on other cultures. I think we should be striving for of a 'no compormise' mindset rsw: people do go only by brand/logo/affiliation, but there i'm willing to bet it's 50/50 between those and others who actually think and make a decision on preference on quality or opinion - ie, i don't want a fucking yugo, i want a honda. and i didn't like bush, or gore, or nader - so i won't vote. and so on *** Crazy-J (crazy-pcis@co-colspgs-1-u2-b5-248.clspco.adelphia.net) has joined channel #vfhome ETP: what does a no comprimise mindset mean *** avx-_ (zvx@bgp976482bgs.fenkel01.mi.comcast.net) has joined channel #vfhome ETP: no television ever ETP: no sports rsw: i don't think we are all pretty mindless, ge ETP: stop wearing clothes ETP: etc? rsw: etp: nude communists. ETP: im up for that ETP: i dont think we are mindless either GodEater: ahhh, "communists" *** Bu_Jasoom (Ayshay@clt25-107-214.carolina.rr.com) has joined channel #vfhome GodEater: rich: I think we are. I think we are mostly on auto pilot rsw: based on what? avx-_: no creedo ##FDS%$ ETP: thats a blanket statement that is purely opinion GodEater: we're not mindless in the science fiction "consume. consume" type thing but we're certainly not active to any huge degree ETP: nobody ever is.. in the history of mankind Drow-Z: shut up GodEater: thats a blanket statement that is purely opinion Drow-Z: wait Drow-Z: ge ETP: GodEater: yes Drow-Z: kick me ETP: it is Drow-Z: i need to try something rsw: ..based on what? *** Bu_Jasoom has left channel #vfhome *** Yun is ~joanna@WAY-MO-MONEY.MIT.EDU (eung) *** Yun is on channels @#vfhome *** Yun is on IRC via server irc.Qeast.net (Ë vendre par le propriŽtaire) *** Yun has been idle for 1 days, 6 hours, 40 minutes and 31 seconds *** Yun signed on at Tuesday, April 23, 2002 3:15:45 PM Drow-Z: rsw!!! ETP: rsw: you asking me or GE? rsw: ge, re not active ETP: k *** Myke` (mike@c16826.farfl1.nsw.optusnet.com.au) has joined channel #vfhome rsw: i mean, how much of a degree would be acceptable? "i won't buy a car - i shall ride horseback on 50 mile commute." ETP: it would be helpful to define what active would be ETP: yeah VFidle: It be Myke` *** Mode change "+ooo Myke` Myke` Myke`" on #vfhome by VFidle Myke`: hey eug VFidle: What's up, man? *** VFidle is now known as VFeug Myke`: not a lot *** AwayEug (emoon01@12-250-150-34.client.attbi.com) has joined channel #vfhome *** Mode change "+ooo AwayEug AwayEug AwayEug" on #vfhome by VFeug VFeug: Has VF4 been released in AU yet? Myke`: you mean on ps2? VFeug: Yeah. Myke`: nope VFeug: Seeing as how AU game market is SO FAR BEHIND THE REST OF THE WORLD. Myke`: doesn't bother me. i import VFeug: hehehehe Myke`: nice try though Myke`: :P GodEater: rich, ETP GodEater: still here VFeug: Well, I was more curious than anything. :) ETP: yo GodEater: dividing time between msgs VFeug: I just remember you bitching about it one time. Myke`: eug anyway i think the PAL version is due out in may VFeug: Ah. *** anonimuss (anonimuss@dialup-209.246.210.236.Dial1.Philadelphia1.Level3.net) has joined channel #vfhome VFeug: But you have NTSC (Japan) PS2 and VF4? Myke`: i have the US VFeug: I see. VFeug: So how do you like it? :) Myke`: pretty good Myke`: awesome training mode Myke`: and it's ver C VFeug: Man. I wish Sony would hurry up and drop the price on the console. GodEater: on being active: I just think that for the most part our attentions are so divided and pushed against that we tend to let things slide and only attack when its easy Fishie: VFeug AGAIN ? GodEater: or affects our leisure VFeug: Fishie is in BELGIUM ? Fishie: VFeug yup why ? VFeug: No reason. :) Fishie: GE That I agree about with you rsw: ...isn't that human nature? Reno-: where the hell is Llan >:| ETP: yeah, this conversation started as a discussion of the effects of the media ETP: are you blaming the media for this, or just pointing out a human weakness dodee: I think you're all silly GodEater: rich: saying that is problematic ETP: dodee: i dont think anyone can argue that GodEater: how do you know what human nature *is*. couldn't we evolve it at all. should we be happy with the status quo. just sit back and say, "well fuck. that's just the way things are" Reno-: god, and the Raptors lost too Reno-: this is just one shitty ass night VFeug: Oh, I forgot Sony dropped the price of the PS2 in Europe. Reno-: what the fuck is Vince Carter doing anyways GodEater: ETP: I'm not blaming anyone. Reno-: what a pussy ass bitch VFeug: Stupid me. ETP: GodEater: yeah, but i was just under the impression that you were blaming the media for this predicament GodEater: no no VFeug: Fishie: We never got a price drop! rsw: we're not gonna evolve in the period of 200 years of industrialization Fishie: VFeug oh yeah true grin grin GodEater: certainly not. especially if we say we aren't. rsw strangles GE VFeug: Fishie: Curses!!!! ^_^ dodee joins the strangle ETP: heh rsw: that's just stupid. dodee: most people are stupid, stupid people are what holds it back rsw: "humans can't fly" Fishie: Four times already over here, mind you twas like 500$ on release GodEater: well fuck, rich. when can we take responsibility for the way things are and try and make changes? rsw: "well, especially not if we say we can't!" GodEater: never GodEater: ? somedude2: wow, still going ETP: physical and psychological restrictions are a bit different though, but i see your point rsw VFeug: Fishie: Ah. rsw: innate pyschological restrictions, bred in us since we were apes, are just as difficult to overcome as physical restrictions GodEater: what point? that we shouldn't try? rsw: where did i say we shouldn't try? ETP: GodEater: nobody is saying we shouldnt GodEater: whenever you say, "that is human nature" and everyone else nods what other type of signal do you think you're sending *** SuMChiCk (a@CPE-144-137-9-36.vic.bigpond.net.au) has joined channel #vfhome Zero-away: =I LOVE ALL OF YOU VFeug: meep Zero-away: except INH *** SuMChiCk is now known as SummAh *** Mode change "+o SummAh" on #vfhome by GodEater Zero-away: SUMMA-KUUUUUUUN SummAh: hi god! SummAh: hi REIIIIIII! GodEater: yo summ ETP: GodEater: the signal that certain problems are inborn and not a result of outside influence, and thus cannot be blamed on movies and nike commercials ETP: thats what i was getting at at least GodEater: fuck that GodEater: inborn ETP: not inborn, sorry GodEater: christ. point to the platonic model that supports that theory SummAh: hallo~ SummAh: i just got another job offer todae! SummAh: YAY! ETP: you take the human nature thing to seriously though Zero-away: GO SUMMA-KUN GodEater: go summ *** jjcha-mee (jjcha-meec@adsl-64-173-25-115.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net) has joined channel #vfhome dodee: ge's getting awfully lefty today. =) jjcha-mee: oi ETP: it just means its not a fault of denim jeans Zero-away: BLACK KNIGHT dodee: summah: for what? GodEater: oh good. introduce spatial metaphors that make it easier to dismiss what I;m saying Zero-away: I blame its failure on The System. dodee: zero: I agree. black knight is better than all this ETP: GodEater: im not dismissing anything you say at all GodEater: ETP: not you ETP: okay *** Zero-away is now known as Zero-VF4 SummAh: *confused* ^^ Zero-VF4 deconfuses Summa-kun GodEater: ge's getting awfully lefty today. ETP: ah rsw: zero: please stop saying that Fishie: Whats wrong with being a left wing liberal fruitcake ? GodEater: and you need to take things seriously. or you're left with what we have dodee: you're just usually more rational and realistic than today's idealist kick. =) rsw: it makes me cringe as much as when jen goes on her wqte rampages Zero-VF4: stop saying what? rsw: black knight GodEater: dodee: I know. like I said, I'm mostly just seeing where things lead. somedude2: lol Zero-VF4: oh Zero-VF4: but it gets dodee all excited rsw: no, you're seeing where you think things may lead rsw: so does asian porn Zero-VF4: true Zero-VF4: but BK is far more intellectual somedude2: get some asian porn dodee: yes. ap Fishie: Zero ummmm some of that asian porn is a lot DEEPER then black knight ever will be SummAh: Job offer in sydney! GodEater: rich: no, not really (if I understood the sentence). Zero-VF4: UGH! SummAh: Means I have to go up in June! Zero-VF4: Fishie, that was bad. Fishie: Ooooooh I made pun, funny funnu funny NOOOOOOOOOOOT Zero-VF4: Go sit in the corner. SummAh: but I'm still having my exams! SummAh: BLEH~! Fishie sits in corner sobbing Zero-VF4 eats exams VFeug: meep Zero-VF4: meep! Zero-VF4: meep? ETP: derf FeAr187: heeeeeey SummAh: beep! GodEater: well, anyway we keep going in circles and I'm getting bored FeAr187: :/ ETP: i dont think weve just gone in circles, i for one have learned a few good things ETP: but it is time to stop Zero-VF4: #vfhome is edifying! FeAr187: ... dodee: I've learned "dont chat to ge about lofty things that he doesn't really have an opinion on yet" =) Fishie: ETP yeah sadly only from me Zero-VF4: anyways, VF4 time for moi *** Signoff: Drow-Z (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) Fishie: Zero *** VFeug is now known as VFidle Fishie: Can I leave the corner ? dodee: amen, eug VFidle: dod: :) dodee: he speaks! VFidle: dod: so do you! SummAh: shaddup~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~` Zero-VF4: yes FeAr187: someone take drow-z's nick GodEater: it always wigs me out when eug speaks. its like a painting coming to life and taping you on the shoulder SummAh: lol ETP: heh dodee: hah *** GodEater is now known as GE-away Fishie: Thankeeee Fishie leaves corner Fishie: Ill never say it again dodee: say what? ETP: a pun Fishie: That asian porn is DEEPER then black knight Fishie: DOH Fishie: Im sorry Zero Fishie: Please dont hurt me Zero-VF4: shut up bitch ETP: heh Zero-VF4: ^_^ Zero-VF4: you know... I wish AM2 would make the PS2 VF4 main screen images available as wallpapers Fishie: :me cries Fishie cries ETP: im surprised they arent Zero-VF4: Some of them are hella cool Zero-VF4: like the Jacky/Sarah one Zero-VF4: the the one with the four women Log file closed at: 4/24/02 10:44:36 PM