Log file opened at: 5/23/01 2:53:53 AM dodee: just I was asking jan today, about how close the matches were dodee: he said the lifebars were usually fairly close dodee: that paints an entirely different picture than 8:1 win ratio rsw: they ARE important actually, but to a sane extent dodee: and if those close lifebars are due to boring shit, I care even less dodee: who do I like wtaching play? graham and sal. piccolo33: that shit bout paying for his trip is a big no no piccolo33: let him come if he wants *** Xeriak (xeriak@cx526528-a.sking1.ri.home.com) has joined channel #vfhome rsw: what i don't understand is why jacky's trip and hammer and bitchslap look 100 times better in vf2. MyKe`: heh what was with uk_phil's post? dodee: I wanna know how andy had 5k for jan and not 500 for ryan rsw: gee, i HAVE NO IDEA piccolo33: might as well pay momo arashi to come piccolo33: trust me andy has lots $$$ piccolo33: :P tellure: dumb quesiton (I guess) - who's momo arashi? piccolo33: it might not look like it but he does rsw: but why doesn't he offer it to ryan like he did jan? piccolo33: but shhh, dont tell i said it rsw: no, it does look and sound very much like it piccolo33: (no biggie but just in case) dodee: andy's folks have lots $$$ =) MyKe`: it's obvious andy fancied his chances more against jan than ryna piccolo33: momo-arashi= kick ass taka player (also, its a girl) rsw: you can smell rich twips a mile away. dodee: I dunno, he was saying he could do 80% against the londoners today ChanCLEAN: http://www1.sbs.co.kr/games/movie/mpeg/vf1.avi ChanCLEAN: http://www1.sbs.co.kr/games/movie/mpeg/vf2.avi ChanCLEAN: yes, it's on the forum ChanCLEAN: but thought I'd spare some of you the little effort rsw: whatzit? ChanCLEAN: supposedly VF4 gameplay movies dodee: I'll down em rsw: i hope i can view them ChanCLEAN: geez MyKe`: chan you haven't seen them yet? ChanCLEAN: it's fast ChanCLEAN: just looking now ChanCLEAN: damn the game is fast!!! dodee: shit it is ChanCLEAN: elbow palm is practically one move *** ChanCLEAN is now known as Chanchai Chanchai: character select screen still looks gay dodee: anyone want dcc? piccolo33: me MyKe`: me too rsw: grr. five minutes to go. rsw: all you cable fucks. dodee: 2p monk costume is ass MyKe`: uhh dodee: go ahead and take em piccolo33: send again piccolo33: yeah cable ppl suck piccolo33: :P MyKe`: DCC Send from dodee rejected (Vf1.avi, file type ignored) MyKe`: wtf? dodee: you have dcc ignoring dodee: file/options MyKe`: the fuck i do piccolo33: myke go to options piccolo33: dcc....disable it dodee: dcc MyKe`: disable what? piccolo33: dcc rsw: AaaAhHHAHHGGHGHAGGRRRGHR I i can't waaaiiit dodee: "on send request: dodee: do the radio button that says "show get dialog" MyKe`: disable the ignore. ok got it piccolo33: same feeling here rich tellure: hmm.. I'm not a huge fan of the monk's animations in vf1.avi.. he looks kind of lanky and awkward dodee: single swallowkick still goes over a down opponent MyKe`: dodee yes it does MyKe`: try sending again dodee: take the other one,s al rsw: i really hope vf4 lets you buffer in moves like vf2 piccolo33: i did piccolo33: i think i'll get it after the first one finishes rsw: having to worry about moves not coming out because you entered them too early in vf3 is just such a pain in the fucking ass piccolo33: to speed up dodee: oh wow, look at the snow! dodee: naw, get both, sal piccolo33: im 56k! MyKe`: dodee hello! piccolo33: i rather get one done fast piccolo33: lol dodee: sorry! rsw: why are you bothering with DCC? the server is fast dodee: rich, they're on the ftp, too MyKe`: the fuck. it's ignored again? piccolo33: really? hmmm MyKe`: cos if i go to the url it tries to stream it in mediaplayer MyKe`: do i have to restart irc? dodee: no tellure: the monk character's model / animations look more DoA'ish than VF-like tellure: to me dodee: it should work MyKe`: i disabled ignore dodee: let it stream it in media player dodee: that's how I got em Chanchai: yes, it does look doaish... Chanchai: my concern is recovery Chanchai: but I don't know if I even seen much blocking yet dodee: I saw a lot in the pai/lau video Chanchai: I've yet to watch it Chanchai: :) Chanchai: it's slow a bit at the moment rsw: i can only hope that stop animations just haven't been implemented yet Chanchai: how's it look on your end dodee? tellure: the pace also seems way too fast for me.. like Soul Calibur.. I'm wondering if I'm just an old man at 25 yrs when it comes to fighting games now and can't keep up with the young pups dodee: it looks substantially faster than vf3 piccolo33: dodde has super duper connect tellure: I've d/l'd both movies already MyKe`: windows media won't let me save it, right? Chanchai: supposedly they aren't implemented yet, I hope so too Chanchai: (because they should be in there :p) MyKe`: what a cunt of a program tellure: Myke: yeah it will tellure: or it should MyKe`: it should. yes dodee: yeah, it will Chanchai: hehe that's why I had David relink Chanchai: last message was to Myke tellure: my browser saved the file to a temp file and then spawned WMP when it was finished.. and I could save it out under any name after that rsw: myke! just use your browser! Chanchai: I usually just disassociate media player from files Chanchai: that way, when I pop the link to a browser, it won't just pop up on media player MyKe`: why am i being so retarded about this? Chanchai: but finally ask me to open or save MyKe`: i can save it MyKe`: shit dodee: thanks for the heads up, cc piccolo33: yeah chan, good shit Chanchai: np, David pointed it out to me Chanchai: david = Yamcha Chanchai: :) piccolo33: ah ic piccolo33: icq eh Chanchai: yeah tellure: wow I love Pai's outfit in the Pai/Lau match and the fighting in the snow Chanchai: floating looks weird Chanchai: not in a bad way Chanchai: it's definitely not Tekken Chanchai: or DoA dodee: the snow is tight Chanchai: (well, maybe similar to DoA2, but not quite) dodee: it looks vf2y to me rsw: fucking FV stages, though. the walls are FUCKING garbage rsw: grrfrgH! Chanchai: I'm glad the lightup feature is subtle... very subtle rsw: subtle? they're shiny as hell rsw: vf2 lighting was subtle, vf3 was too dodee: I dont mind the stages Chanchai: characters look like theiy're springloaded hehe piccolo33: yeah this looks like fv rsw: this is REFLECT-O-MATIC Chanchai: gets hit and they bounce back really quick :p dodee: nono, he means the counter flash Chanchai: guess I'm going by another standard... I was expecting something really out there like Tekken or SC rsw: oh. dodee: not the lighting overall Chanchai: yeah dodee: it looks really opengl-y. rsw: that really doesn't strike me as that fast. Chanchai: I was hoping it wouldn't look like.... as Myke put it... "A fireworks display" (talking about SC) MyKe`: 24% and 8% MyKe`: come onnnn... dodee: looks faster than vf3 rsw: little bit. dodee: SAL dodee: take #2 Chanchai: you're right, it's not that fast piccolo33: hold dodee: aiya. piccolo33: ok now dodee: yessir, sir piccolo33: avi sucks om this pc piccolo33: framy piccolo33: cant see shit piccolo33: why oh why!!! piccolo33: 2 frames piccolo33: grrrr Chanchai: you mean divx sucks on that pc right? Chanchai: :) rsw: pooooor sal Chanchai: normal avi should be fine on almost any pc piccolo33: this is a divx? Chanchai: well P1 and up Chanchai: I think it is piccolo33: shit no wonder Chanchai: (divx;) uses the .avi extension) *** Signoff: avx-_ (Ping timeout: 499 seconds) piccolo33: damm d rsw: hey that's the same place that had xiao xiao piccolo33: damm d Chanchai: what's xiao xiao? rsw: stickfigure Chanchai: oh yeah, that's right piccolo33: lol, vf4 same vf3 announcer piccolo33: ko! rsw: i really like the vf3 announcer piccolo33: are they underwater? cause they are really floating... piccolo33: lol tellure: heh Chanchai: I am already missing the e-button... Chanchai: even more Chanchai: :( piccolo33: not me :) tellure: yeah I think the E button rocked piccolo33: i'll just think its vf2 dodee: vf2 in the damn house. piccolo33: someone convert these movies into mpeg fast!! dodee: they are mpeg... dodee: divx is an mpeg codec piccolo33: you know what i mean! piccolo33: :P rsw: okay, that different camera angle for the throw is such bullshit rsw: fuck that piccolo33: normal mpeg rsw: and dodee, it's not that much faster at all rsw: shun vs pai, look just like vf3 speed, if not SLOWER dodee: it seems fast enough. piccolo33: i think its actually slower rsw: SEE dodee: ok, look at framestats dodee: technically, the games are the same speed tellure: seems a bit speedier to me.. and I've played a TON of pai vs. shun against mutant :) piccolo33: look at laus low rising kick.... dodee: telly rules. tellure: hehe rsw: CvfC rsw: ? rsw: SGGG? rsw: sal? piccolo33: hehe piccolo33: sggg=segagaga rsw: what's your problem with the char select screen, chan?? piccolo33: CvfC is an inside joke...adam and ice knows Chanchai: no problem, I just don't like the way it looks Chanchai: doesn't float my boat rsw: rrrokay piccolo33: select screen is fine. the only thing missing is real time faces rsw: sal: ? tellure: I quite like Pai's bell bottom-ed costume.. moves nicely with her quick movements piccolo33: like in all vf's character select screens rsw: the stagger/hit animations are creamy, i have to say MyKe`: finally viewed the first movie piccolo33: say hello to recycled vf2 sound fx! MyKe`: that quick roll is bullshit piccolo33: a straight copy from doa2 piccolo33: quick roll Chanchai: no wonder I was thinking of DoA2 at some point :p piccolo33: (tap FREE as u land) MyKe`: i like the select screen though.. much better than vf3's tellure: yeah I liked the select screen too tellure: seems speedy and responsive Chanchai: I guess when I think about it, I can't even figure if I've ever cared for a select screen... no idea why VF4's stands out to me. Just a difference of taste I guess. piccolo33: that select screen is most likely a place holder Chanchai: I don't like the way it looks, but at least the models load instantly... rsw: chan, get OVER it piccolo33: models? they're pics Chanchai: alright piccolo33: serously, they have a bunch of vf2 sound fx there... MyKe`: CHALLENGER COMES tellure: heh MyKe`: ALL OVER YOU piccolo33: lol piccolo33: lol Chanchai: pic, my bad Chanchai: Rich, you asked. it's no biggie *** CaliPower (calipower@AC8A5F3A.ipt.aol.com) has joined channel #vfhome rsw: myke: you should use that as a .sig piccolo33: where u guys got the idea this is fast? its mad slow to me MyKe`: heh MyKe`: pic, what idea? piccolo33: lau vs monk fight is slow , imo MyKe`: oh MyKe`: i never said it was fast piccolo33: i never said which guys piccolo33: :P MyKe`: i guess the quick roll makes the action appeqar faster piccolo33: hehe MyKe`: is the camera closer to the action as well? rsw: is the sound as godawful for you as it is for me? MyKe`: that'll make it appear faster too rsw: oh hey rsw: see the broken floor tiles at the beginning of the second vid? rsw: with jacky piccolo33: music is not limp bzcuit! tellure: is there any inherent disadvantage in quick rolling, or is it identical to getting knocked down flat, then rolling to the side? tellure: basically.. why wouldn't you always quick roll? MyKe`: tellure there better damn well be a risk involved Chanchai: I guess if it's anything like Tekken, you get hit out of it? Chanchai: Myke, is there any risk to quick roll in DoA2? piccolo33: from the lau/monk fight it seems theres a risk doing a quick rool, lau got hit while recovering from the quick rool.... MyKe`: like you lose the invulnerable get up Chanchai: yeah MyKe`: chan nope tellure: yeah it did look like he got hit tellure: ah you lose the invulnerable.. interesting MyKe`: tellure i'm not saying you do piccolo33: see first movie, the first rool lau does, then he gets hit later... MyKe`: i'm saying you better! tellure: myke: ah tellure: haha piccolo33: lol MyKe`: but then i think you can only quick roll from certain hits tellure: I wasn't paying attention.. heh rsw: http://homepage2.nifty.com/challenger/ rsw: there appears to be a tk4 promo movie there, too rsw: oh, durrhrh rsw: nm. piccolo33: whoa rsw: nevermind! piccolo33: damm this framyness! *** Signoff: CaliPower (razor ramone....eeeey chiiiicoooooooo) *** CrewNYC (crewnyc@dsl027-161-040.atl1.dsl.speakeasy.net) has joined channel #vfhome rsw: view it frame by frame CrewNYC: ohhh gameplay movies piccolo33: i only get 2 secs of smoothness CrewNYC: everyone must be talking already CrewNYC: there are hit sparks CrewNYC: I see em CrewNYC: hehe *** faceless (faceless@user-2ive9jf.dialup.mindspring.com) has joined channel #vfhome *** Mode change "+v faceless" on #vfhome by f_c_l_ss CrewNYC: very minor MyKe`: in which movie? MyKe`: i didn't see any in the first CrewNYC: this game is vf3 with vf2 speed and terrain/E dodging taken out tellure: can you see 'em? I can't spot them rsw: there are no sparks CrewNYC: yes CrewNYC: movie two rsw: just glints of light CrewNYC: low punch sparks CrewNYC: yup piccolo33: i disagree andy, looks mad slow to me CrewNYC: those are the sparks im guessing that we've heard of CrewNYC: no way sal CrewNYC: that shit is fast CrewNYC: you see how much damage the moves take CrewNYC: shun combo took almost 60-70% CrewNYC: combacks are made in like 7/8 seconds CrewNYC: with almost full bar of energy rsw: http://world.altavista.com/urltrurl?lp=ja_en&url=http%3A%2F%2Fhomepage2.nifty. com%2Fchallenger%2Fnewgame0522.htm rsw: there's lots of new game footage there dodee: babelfish error rsw: http://homepage2.nifty.com/challenger/newgame0522.htm piccolo33: for tekken4 rich? rsw: then rsw: no piccolo33: vf4? piccolo33: duh piccolo33: :P rsw: yes but i'm pretty sure that they're the same piccolo33: are they on divx? rsw: i don't know tellure: I love "The Seoul caliber 2" on that page.. that must be the new korean version of Soul Calibur :) CrewNYC: I dont see vf4 rsw: andy: the damage is obviously set on very low, that's pretty standard in japan, especially on a test where they want to get people on and off quickly rsw: i mean, fuck, rising attacks did like 40 points of damage CrewNYC: you mean the damage is set on very high CrewNYC: yup attacks are taking off tons of damage tellure: health bar is set low tellure: damage is set high CrewNYC: though from these movies it would seem a good vf3 player will almost automatically be a good vf4 player tellure: yeah it looks like a lot of the moves are the same CrewNYC: the moves seem the same CrewNYC: yup rsw: grrrgh. hit points are set low. rsw: better? CrewNYC: hmm I wanted to see jacky and akira CrewNYC: square off CrewNYC: more movies man CrewNYC: the current version of this game from the movies still wont appeal to the mass american gamer I think CrewNYC: its not mainstream enough yet tellure: cause it has no super-crazy moves? or? CrewNYC: yah like unblockables CrewNYC: multihit big combos CrewNYC: there should be a combo meter CrewNYC: somewhere CrewNYC: hehe Chanchai: looks like it has all of those to me Chanchai: charge attacks Chanchai: combos Chanchai: etc... tellure: hehe combo meter CrewNYC: yeah it looks like vf3 moves CrewNYC: with new graphics piccolo33: any way to fix this framyness? piccolo33: fuck CrewNYC: dl thw hole thing before watching sal CrewNYC: pai still looks weak piccolo33: i did!!! CrewNYC: hahaha CrewNYC: hmm then I dunno CrewNYC: it could be the computer CrewNYC: ? CrewNYC: lau looks fsaster piccolo33: its divx! its evil on this pc CrewNYC: its has doa2 style life bars CrewNYC: it flashes and goes down Chanchai: omg....sigh....http://www.os.xaxon.ne.jp/~graffiti/dog_op.avi CrewNYC: wuzzat? Chanchai: (don't bother unless you have a fast connection) piccolo33: vf4 movies? Chanchai: Don't know why I didn't think of it already... Chanchai: Dog walking/dog show game... rsw: myke: vo 4 movies rsw: walk the dog! piccolo33: the dog walking game? Chanchai: something like that tellure: hehe.. you guys ever see the movie "Best In Show"? CrewNYC: ok time to sleep tellure: all about a dog show *** Signoff: CrewNYC () Chanchai: yeah, that's what I was thinking when I saw this clip Chanchai: except these dogs are like singing or something Chanchai: it's weird tellure: that movie had me in stitches dodee: the yuppies were priceless Chanchai: hehe *** CaliPower (calipower@AC98084F.ipt.aol.com) has joined channel #vfhome Chanchai: man... this dog really wants to run into the bicycle... *** rsw has set the topic on channel #vfhome to . *** Mode change "+oo faceless CaliPower" on #vfhome by f_c_l_ss Chanchai: yay, I finally get to see what Spikers' Battle looks like in motion. piccolo33: thanks dodde piccolo33: oh well, this vf movies are unplayable MyKe`: iv'e seen vo4 movies MyKe`: anyway 99%!!!! Chanchai: already?! MyKe`: :P MyKe`: ok done piccolo33: wheres 3? Chanchai: wow... I want to play that game. Just don't think I'll get the chance until I visit Thailand or Japan rsw: you can see the throw system a little rsw: they reach forward with their arms, as with a vf3 whiffed throw, then connect for the throw piccolo33: catch throws... f_c_l_ss: 65% MyKe`: i still don't see hit sparks! MyKe`: whats up with the energy bar whenever someone gets hit? MyKe`: put it down to the test version tellure: yeah I don't see hit sparks either (which is great, IMO :) *** Signoff: dodee () tellure: hit sparks are hokey and un-diegetic MyKe`: oh, totally! *** Gouken8 (blah@user-vc8fde8.biz.mindspring.com) has joined channel #vfhome faceless: the cloth animation is even better! piccolo33: clothing animation is great! Chanchai: that is weird... like it's got to remind you how much damage was taken off :p tellure: yeah, it looks superb MyKe`: i like how pai bounces off the wall when her back is to it, rather than flopping against it and sliding down faceless: so whats this about them ripping off bloody roar? rsw: diegetic? piccolo33: walls? MyKe`: eh? faceless: yeah faceless: 'break the walls down!' rsw: i can't find that word in my dictionary tellure: rsw: http://www.sfu.ca/sca/Manuals/ZAAPf/d/diegetic.html *** Signoff: Gouken8 () tellure: mostly used in relation to sound in movies / TV / plays MyKe`: i hope the tiles break during the game MyKe`: that'd look nice tellure: but can also be used to describe any element that is either inside the context of the narrative, or outside it rsw: i see. has no place in vf. faceless: they cloth effect is nothing less than insane rsw: i learned a new word today! faceless: breaking tiles is about as necessary as the cloth and snow shit faceless: might as well add it for eye candy MyKe`: why arent people dodging? or using the charge attacks? rsw: did you see the broken tiles, face? rsw: myke: pai dodges a few times in the pai v shun clip rsw: they look small and pathetic MyKe`: yeah? let me see again tellure: rsw: heh.. well it can be applied to anything really (even VF).. cause hit sparks are obviously not real (there aren't sparks when people hit each other), so it's something that's non-diegetic to the simulation VF is trying to display MyKe`: oh yeah, barely noticable faceless: the snow really is nuts tellure: yeah it's awesome faceless: it just begs the question "why?" rsw: but the rest of that stage is awful boring MyKe`: i reckon lau could have gotten three UpKn's against Pai Chanchai: weird... Spikers Battle is pretty much fast paced Shenmue Combat engine arcade. *** faceless has set the topic on channel #vfhome to snow = in-fucking-sane *** Signoff: Xeriak (Connection reset by peer) MyKe`: yeah i hate these small square rings MyKe`: nice effects, but no thanks piccolo33: face: i think i''l go over there tomorrow... tellure: it seems like they're adopting a lot of Soul Calibur conventions.. super small rings, 8-way run, super fast pace rsw: there's no 8 way run faceless: sc has super small rings? tellure: it does to me tellure: sooooooo many ringouts in SC MyKe`: that's because everyone has huge weapons :P faceless: cause you suck at positioning tellure: there's no 8 way run? I thought they were doing the 8-way run in VF4? tellure: haha tellure: yeah.. guess I just suck MyKe`: you can be opposite ends of the ring and still hit someone :P MyKe`: (i'm kidding) Chanchai: that's dodging?! hmm... MyKe`: there's no 8way run tellure: I just don't like to have to keep sidestepping constantly to keep from getting knocked out of the ring MyKe`: dodging is done with the stick instead of the E button faceless: translation: you suck at positioning faceless: play sf2 MyKe`: anyway, must sleep. ciao tellure: so what did they replace the E button with then? I thought it was double-tap to go in that direction *** Signoff: MyKe` () faceless: where youdont have to worry abut things like 'rings' piccolo33: laterz all, enjoy your nice-can-handle-all-movies pc's faceless: or better yet tekken faceless: infinite scroll tellure: nah I'm not into anything that severe faceless: doa2... tellure: I just want more room than SC allows (and the small rings in VF4 would seem to allow) faceless: the rings dont kill ya tellure: it's all about how much room you feel comfortable in faceless: just hurt alot *** piccolo33 has left channel #vfhome faceless: are they purposefully trying to make jacky look more paul phoenix-ish? tellure: heh! I noticed that too tellure: crazy vertical hair faceless: know what'd be a nice comprimise? faceless: have an option to have rings or no rings faceless: and if u pick no rings, u fight in the terrain tellure: you mean walls / no walls? faceless: so ppl can just stfu... faceless: i mean no rings period rsw: open environment faceless: no walls, no ring floor, just the regular environment tellure: so infinite scroll tekken style? faceless: no, i mean doa2 style tellure: or does the regular environment have natural walls? faceless: natural walls trhat are really far away faceless: for the claustorphobes tellure: I'd go for that if they weren't *really* far away.. :).. I liked how large the VF3 rings were generally tellure: the cave, the akira dojo, the library, the raft.. those were all good sizes for me faceless: the library was like the same width faceless: only longer faceless: or they could just make the cages bigger faceless: funny that u have to break them ala bloody roar tellure: yeah tellure: damn I gotta sleep tellure: catcha later man *** faceless has set the topic on channel #vfhome to snow = in-fucking-sane | 'vf copies bloody roar' *** Signoff: tellure (Dead socket) rsw: don't you mean BEASTORIZER? Chanchai: same game Chanchai: hehe Chanchai: (was that sarcasm?) rsw: yes Chanchai: :) Chanchai: have a good night Rich *** Chanchai is now known as ChanAFK rsw: bye *** piccolo33 (piccolo33@97.new-york-01rh15rt-ny.dial-access.att.net) has joined channel #vfhome rsw: whachoo doing here, willis? piccolo33: interview of susuki about vf4 piccolo33: http://www.segatech.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/006523.html piccolo33: nice read piccolo33: the game takes place in china piccolo33: hmmm piccolo33: cool. the monk is a bad guy! piccolo33: or something like that piccolo33: "darker" piccolo33: AM2: We believe special effects detract from the game's overall realism. However, there are effects we can use which will enhance the gameplay, and make the action easier to follow. In Virtua Fighter 4 there will be hit-effects. For example, sweat droplets will fly off your characters, and some players will quiver after a strong attack. As for other special effects, we're doing particle handling for dust and snow which makes piccolo33: coooooool!!!! piccolo33: :P piccolo33: op! *** Signoff: CaliPower (foooooooood) *** Mode change "+o piccolo33" on #vfhome by rsw rsw: sleeeeeeeeeep Log file closed at: 5/23/01 3:47:02 AM