1:17 AM:  SpaceRain: :)

1:17 AM:  SpaceRain: Don't mind me.  I didn't get hugged much as a child. :)

1:18 AM:     Srider: don't think i did either.. heh :)

1:18 AM:  SpaceRain: Wanna hear a poem?

1:18 AM:     Srider: go for it

1:18 AM:  SpaceRain: My name is Vicky,

1:18 AM:  SpaceRain: And since I was picky 

1:18 AM:  SpaceRain: I dumped Ricky, 

1:18 AM:  SpaceRain: Who was very icky. 

1:18 AM:  SpaceRain: I went out with Nicky 

1:18 AM:  SpaceRain: And he started to licky 

1:18 AM:  SpaceRain: I then got a hicky 

1:18 AM:  SpaceRain: And he said it "was time for a quickie" 

1:18 AM:   DevilRei: Myke, no

1:18 AM:  SpaceRain: So he took out his dicky 

1:18 AM:  SpaceRain: Which was pretty thicky 

1:19 AM:  SpaceRain: And I got all sticky 

1:19 AM:  SpaceRain: I had a fun time!

1:19 AM:  SpaceRain: That's it. You liked it?

1:19 AM:      Myke`: who are you geeks anwyay? :)

1:19 AM:     Srider: hahah lol

1:19 AM:      Myke`: rei, i'm at a loss now

1:19 AM:   DevilRei: DirectSound seems to work though

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1:20 AM:     Srider: good stuff spacerain

1:20 AM:     Srider: it's 1:20 am...  anyways, devilrei what problem are you

having??

1:20 AM:  SpaceRain: 7:22 AM here.

1:20 AM:  SpaceRain: I should get some sleep.

1:20 AM:  SpaceRain: Naw, maybe tomorrown.

1:20 AM:  SpaceRain: tomorrown -> tomorrow

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1:21 AM:     Srider: myke, what's devilrei's trouble?? sound not working?

1:21 AM:  SpaceRain: I can't seem to press PP fast enough to get it as a combo.

You think maybe I should buy a stick?

1:22 AM:      Myke`: yeah

1:22 AM:  SpaceRain: All right, I will.

1:22 AM:  SpaceRain: Thanks.

1:22 AM:      Myke`: that was for srider

1:22 AM:      Myke`: but you're welcome anyway

1:23 AM:  SpaceRain: :)

1:23 AM:      Myke`: just press P faster

1:23 AM:     Srider: it's probably time for new drivers.. heh

1:23 AM:  SpaceRain: I tried. I can press it like twice in two seconds.

1:23 AM:  SpaceRain: Maybe my controller is broken.

1:24 AM:      Myke`: how fast do you need to press it?

1:24 AM:     Srider: get a stick anyways lol

1:24 AM:  SpaceRain: I dunno, I'm getting ridiculous ping times. :(

1:24 AM:      Myke`: what game are you talking about?

1:24 AM:  SpaceRain: Virtua Fighter 4. You should try it out sometime. It would

rock your world, promise. :)

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1:25 AM:      Myke`: how do you get ridiculuous ping times in vf4?

1:25 AM:  SpaceRain: 07:19:24 <SpaceRain> Don't mind me.  I didn't get hugged

much as a child. :)

1:25 AM:      Myke`: someone just shoot me

1:25 AM:     Srider: she's playing it online or something lol  j/k

1:25 AM:      Myke`: now

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1:25 AM:  SpaceRain: I'm sorry.  I'm just trying so hard to stay awake. :(

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1:26 AM:     baobab: myke: i think the rught question is how DON'T you get

rediculous ping times in vf4 :P

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1:26 AM:     baobab: err right

1:26 AM:      Myke`: baobab, please. not you too :P

1:26 AM:     Srider: devilrei have you tried updating your drivers?

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1:28 AM:  SpaceRain: (Wroooooooom...)

1:28 AM:  SpaceRain: Are we still talking about Formula 1 Manager here?

1:28 AM:  SpaceRain: Even after I bought Schumacher my team just can't seem to

keep up. :(

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1:30 AM:        rsw: say wha?

1:31 AM:      CreeD: ¯h MY God

1:31 AM:      CreeD: hey y'all.

1:31 AM:     Srider: hey CreeD

1:31 AM:      CreeD: What's Up

1:31 AM:        rsw: i actually really really like to see domination, but three

years is enough, i hope schu isn't as dominant next year as the past three

1:32 AM:      CreeD: myke, how was the asian sex tour?

1:32 AM:     baobab: !vfclips

1:32 AM:        rsw: but it's probably only even going to get worse

1:33 AM:      Myke`: pretty good

1:33 AM:     Srider: lol what is that CreeD? a porn movie?

1:33 AM:     Srider: or did Myke go on one of those? :)

1:33 AM:  SpaceRain: Oh.

1:33 AM:        rsw: they weren't even fucking running at top speed at the last

race and still were 30 seconds ahead of third place

1:33 AM:      CreeD: he went

1:33 AM:      CreeD: it's like a cruise on the love boat

1:33 AM:      CreeD: but nobody's of age or white

1:33 AM:  SpaceRain: We know, rsw, we know.

1:34 AM:     Srider: oh i know about that hehe

1:34 AM:     Srider: the love boat

1:34 AM:  SpaceRain: I guess that's why Srider mentioned updating their drivers.

1:34 AM:  SpaceRain: I guess he means on their performance.

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1:34 AM:  SpaceRain: They need to know exactly how bad they're doing.

1:34 AM:     baobab: hi hiro

1:34 AM:     Srider: i was talking about the sound card SpaceRain.. hey

1:34 AM:        rsw: i'm a total tifoso, but even i can't help hope someone

comes up and makes it more exciting

1:34 AM:    hirokun: Hi

1:34 AM:    hirokun: Just taking a break from study

1:35 AM:   DevilRei: hi hiro~

1:35 AM:    hirokun: Hi, Zerochan.

1:35 AM:  SpaceRain: I know, Srider, still just struggling to stay awake here.

:(

1:35 AM:     baobab: oh schools started already?

1:35 AM:   DevilRei: I leave for JP in exactly 2 weeks now

1:35 AM:  SpaceRain: I think I'll go for a ride.  That sometimes keeps me awake

until I get back.

1:35 AM:    hirokun: Nope, before the semester starts, I have to take some

qualifying exam for ph d.

1:35 AM: *** Signoff: Reno- (To the world, you may be just one person, but to

one person, you may be the world)

1:35 AM:     Srider: you doing oversea study there DevilRei? or just for fun?

1:35 AM:      CreeD: aiee

1:36 AM:     baobab: ouch...that sounds difficult

1:36 AM:   DevilRei: yup, study

1:36 AM:    hirokun: Zerochan;so, school will start right away?

1:36 AM:     Srider: i want to do that... mainly just to play evo there though

lol

1:37 AM:    CrewNYC: creed what was that cockamamy post you wrote

1:37 AM:    CrewNYC: did you get my msg?

1:37 AM:     baobab: brb, Ircle's acting wierd

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1:39 AM:      CreeD: -[ CrewNYC ]- Yeah, I forgot to mention something in the

post, namely that for at least 75 percent of people out there

1:39 AM:      CreeD: rizm.net downloads die halfway through

1:39 AM:      CreeD: that's why it's really handy to get a direct url and use an

accelerator.

1:40 AM:        rsw: 12:32 AM:      CreeD: "I'll take one of the 12 year old

thais, a singaporean white slave, 4 of the japanese schoolgirl outfits, and a

kimchee to go."

1:40 AM:        rsw: Log file closed at: 8/16/02 12:48:19 AM

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1:40 AM:    CrewNYC: yeesh I thought it was some kinda difficult download or

something

1:40 AM:        rsw: cock.

1:40 AM:    CrewNYC: its always been good for me

1:40 AM:    CrewNYC: wierd

1:40 AM:      CreeD: you left out my crack about armenians and veils rico!

1:41 AM:        rsw: you can't fool me, cock!

1:41 AM:      CreeD: -[ CrewNYC ]- it's random, for some people it times out

like instantly, for others they can get halfway, and a few it dies right at 99

percent

1:41 AM:      CreeD: dunno why

1:41 AM:        rsw: how was your orgy with deano?

1:41 AM:      CreeD: good, I had a good time and got back up to 70 percent

playing capacity/competency

1:42 AM:      CreeD: several 20 win streaks.

1:42 AM:   DevilRei: When will we see CreeDo Full Power?

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1:43 AM:      CreeD: I dunno, probably in four years or so of straight play,

right when the first movies of VF5 are out.

1:43 AM:        rsw: fabulous, that's about as amazing as a 20 to 0 kill score

in quake versus 1on1 sal

1:43 AM:             Myke` is gone. Away after 10 minutes of inactivity [Since:

08/20/02 15:39:00 EET]

1:43 AM:        rsw: why creedO, dev? he's "CreeD" in his full magnificense.

1:44 AM:      CreeD: -[ rsw ]- no it's not.

1:44 AM:        rsw: yes, yes it is.

1:44 AM:      CreeD: first, there are two buddies of his that play better than

he does

1:44 AM:      CreeD: second nobody's suffering from ping or sticks or any other

excuse.

1:44 AM:        rsw: they use PPb+P with kage instead of PPP?

1:44 AM:        rsw: in this case, ping = skill at vf

1:44 AM:    CrewNYC: heh creed, I woulda been worried if you DIDNT start to play

much better than josh

1:44 AM:    CrewNYC: you speak alot of knoledge on the boards

1:44 AM:        rsw: in other words, they suck

1:45 AM:      CreeD: third there's plenty of Bull Shit with the characters they

like that could end the streak easily despite my best efforts, and I didn't let

it happen to me.

1:45 AM:    CrewNYC: it would be a shame if you couldnt use it

1:45 AM:        rsw: even andy agree's with me

1:45 AM:        rsw: "agree's", off

1:45 AM:        rsw: oof, even.

1:45 AM:      CreeD: rich, whatever, fuck you. I know how good I am and you

weren't there. Any time you play a reasonably smart akira who's capable of

spod/dlc/knee/whatever and win, you must be doing something right. And I had

eight hours of experience vs. dudes who could play anytime they wanted for

months.

1:46 AM:    CrewNYC: Creed next weekend

1:46 AM:    CrewNYC: actually this weekend

1:46 AM:    CrewNYC: take sat off

1:46 AM:    CrewNYC: I'll ask josh to make the drive down to NYC

1:46 AM:        rsw: you wouldn't know (from playing, NOT watching), a

"reasonably smart akira" if he bit you in the arse

1:46 AM:    CrewNYC: come over with him for a day to hang out here!

1:47 AM:    CrewNYC: we'll do a 8 hour vf fest for yah

1:47 AM:        rsw: i know that just from you getting 20 win streaks that they

were pretty fucking shit

1:47 AM:    CrewNYC: :)

1:47 AM:    CrewNYC: yeah creed on things true, 20 wins depends on who

1:47 AM:    CrewNYC: although it does say you8 have some stamina

1:47 AM:    CrewNYC: against competent players

1:48 AM:      CreeD: -[ rsw ]- Oh, and I suppose shang is what, chopped liver?

Kiss my ass, I can split with you in VF2 and know what the fuck I'm talking

about when I see VF being played. I'm not some newbie with a completely

unrealistic and horseshit-based sense of what's good and what's not.

1:48 AM:    CrewNYC: ..semi..competent

1:48 AM:   Three-11: whoa, that newgrounds game rocks

1:49 AM:      CreeD: remind me to be a pissant the next time you make any claim

that has even the remotest trace of pride or accomplishment in it.

1:49 AM:        rsw: creed: we'll see when i get the arcade machine and good

sticks set up. no more of this saturn on crappy pads nonsense.

1:49 AM:      CreeD: "I played on a duel server and managed to split with a

decent player"

1:49 AM:      CreeD: "whatever, he wasn't decent, he was an epileptic palsied

retard."

1:49 AM:        rsw: coming from someone who is a total fucking pussy when it

comes to playing anywhere off his own server and beating up on lagged twits,

that's not much

1:50 AM:      CreeD: you're so fucking lame, you took my claim to competence as

some personal challenge or attack on your skill? What warped reality are you in?

1:50 AM:      CreeD: man you're clearly just in one of your moods. I wish I

could blame alcohol but unfortunately you're all too often a jackass sober.

1:51 AM:        rsw: problem is, i'm often right, either sober or under the

influence

1:51 AM:      CreeD: enjoy your cocksucking theoretical VF superiority, you can

have your elitist attitude and keep it someplace warm. I hope it's worth sitting

on ignore for a while.

1:51 AM:     shinra: are you guys making this up?

1:51 AM:     shinra: hahah

1:52 AM:      CreeD: -[ shinra ]- unfortunately no.

1:52 AM:     shinra: are you guys making this up?

1:52 AM:     shinra: oh

1:52 AM:        rsw: shin: can't make this shit up

1:52 AM:      CreeD: stick around, you'll see more of this from rich.

1:52 AM:        rsw: i think he's just bitter because i banned some stupid

asshole who he made friends with, even though said friend is Stupid, with a

capital S

1:52 AM:     shinra: this is log worth reading btw

1:52 AM:     shinra: :)

1:53 AM:      CreeD: I'm sure he's making the same claim about me, except we

both know who has the rep as an asshole and who doesn't.

1:53 AM:      CreeD: Yeah I'm looking forward to seeing it on his logs page with

some pithy twisted spin on the contents.

1:53 AM:      dodee: akin to the "dodee gets beat down by cha and others" one

1:53 AM:      CreeD: "CreeD goes nuts for no reason and calls rich an asshole!

With delusions of competence!"

1:53 AM:        rsw: dod: well, you did

1:54 AM:      dodee: no I didn't, idiot

1:54 AM:        rsw: the log speaks for itself

1:54 AM:        rsw: sure you did

1:54 AM:      dodee: no, you speak for it

1:54 AM:    al`Thor: actually to be honest i don't think i've ever heard rsw say

anything that could be considered "nice" to anyone really ^_^

1:54 AM:        rsw: dodee, you'd be the only person to argue otherwise

1:54 AM:        rsw: most of the descriptions are very objective

1:54 AM:      dodee: I like how 90% of the summaries are neutral except for when

they deal with people he doesn't like

1:55 AM:        rsw: neutral? i slag myself more than anyone else on the page

1:55 AM:      dodee: the only other people mentioned were the ones that were

characterized as the beatERS, why would they disagree?

1:55 AM:      dodee: I said the stupid waitress whore got what her dumb ass

deserved, they disagreed

1:55 AM:      dodee: how is that a beating?

1:55 AM:        rsw: if you can't fucking get over one fucking desc, then get

the fuck over it

1:55 AM:     Srider: all I know on the topic of "how skilled someone is at VF4"

is that even if you are good... sometimes it's not how good you are that gets

you the wins.....

1:55 AM:      CreeD: -[ al`Thor ]- people always ask why anyone puts up with it,

and right now I'm at a loss. Why DO I put up with it? Unwarranted attacks with

an elitist snot know-it-all attitude. I'm so proud of my buddy sometimes.

1:55 AM:      dodee: difference of opinion = a beating now, in richland

1:55 AM:      dodee: fucking fucking fuck fuck!

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1:55 AM:     Srider: so it's pointless to argue about who's better

1:55 AM:        rsw: wha whaaa whaaaa

1:56 AM:    al`Thor: this isn't about who is better

1:56 AM:    al`Thor: this about who is attempting to sound more intelligent :P

1:56 AM:     Srider: heh

1:56 AM:     Srider: true

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1:56 AM:      CreeD: ÇÇ Server ÈÈ Trigger-[!vfclips]- Used-[0 cps]-

Next.Send-[Open]- Stole-[486.8Mb in 51 files]- Record-[14.4Kb/s by llanfair]-

Sends-[0/3]- Queues-[0/10]- Entered-[31 times]- Note-[Type Trigger To Get On

Fserve]- Ç èׂŸ¨¤”š– È

1:56 AM:      CreeD: -[ Srider ]- eh, the game's not perfectly balanced, but

whether I'm better or not wasn't my point. I was merely making a claim to being

up to competence, maybe being 3/4ths of way up to my potential.

1:56 AM:      CreeD: taken at face value that's perfectly harmless.

1:57 AM:  Zero-chan: Creedie-snookums

1:57 AM:      CreeD: rei

1:57 AM:  Zero-chan: Do ye have those bigass DoriMaga scans saved?

1:57 AM:  Zero-chan: the ones LeoT posted

1:57 AM:      CreeD: Yeah

1:57 AM:      CreeD: want me to zip and send?

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1:57 AM:  Zero-chan: Would ye mind forwarding me the Vane stuff?

1:57 AM:    CrewNYC: Srider sure it is

1:57 AM:    CrewNYC: the better player will always win more

1:58 AM:    CrewNYC: the one who wins more is the better player

1:58 AM:     Srider: yeah i understand.. CreeD, I was trying to calm the other

people who took your statement as a challenge to their pride :)

1:58 AM:  grashoppa: hello all

1:58 AM:     Srider: I would argue that... heh CrewNYC.

1:58 AM:     Srider: sometime people have bad days..

1:58 AM:     Srider: there is alot of factors involved on who wins most on any

given day :)

1:58 AM:      dodee: off days, sticks they cant play on, etc

1:58 AM:    al`Thor: well one game doesn't really prove anything, it's who wins

decisively more

1:59 AM:        rsw: in the most stripped down point of view, crew is actually

right

1:59 AM:             Zero-chan rolls around

1:59 AM:      dodee: holy shit

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1:59 AM:     tragic: 119$ ny to la/sf

1:59 AM:     tragic: one way

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1:59 AM:    CrewNYC: well Srider also against a group of people, just against

one player soetimes doesnt mean anything

2:00 AM:      CreeD: -[ CrewNYC ]- in a case of 55 wins to another guy's 54, you

could make a good case for the player with the shittier character being a better

player if it's like... I dunno, vanessa vs. akira. But still, I wanna stress I

wasn't even trying to say I'm better than the md people.

2:00 AM:        rsw: but it doesn't take away the fact that a) either they could

be the most boring player ever and/or b) they could have degraded the game to

absolute shit, utter shit

2:00 AM:      CreeD: I could care less if I'm better than a random and

completely unknown tiny crew.

2:00 AM:    al`Thor: people don't degrade a game, the game does that by itself

2:00 AM:        rsw: feh, people do that

2:00 AM:     Srider: I would say that human players are prone to many

distractions emotionally that affects their gameplay at certain times

2:00 AM:      CreeD: I just wanted to say that I'm pleased to feel like I can

hang again with someone who knows what they're doing and not get swamped like a

newbie.

2:00 AM:        rsw: that's horseshit

2:01 AM:     Srider: eh.. I agree with al'Thor there..

2:01 AM:    al`Thor: you can't just go "well this is in the game, everyone

should not use it"

2:01 AM:    al`Thor: unless it's some kinda fuqed up glitch

2:01 AM:    al`Thor: you either find a way around something and move on and

learn more, or if you can't, then it's the game's fault

2:02 AM:        rsw: al: you'll probably have a change of heart if you knew VF

through and through and watched certain japanese players as well as adam in ny

2:02 AM:     Srider: or just do the same thing yourself lol

2:02 AM:    al`Thor: to quote a quote i remember a long time ago

2:02 AM:    al`Thor: "play the game for what it is, not what you want it to be"

2:03 AM:     Srider: I mean..  there are thing in VF that I would say is very

hard to play against..  but that doesn't mean said action is 'chessy'

2:03 AM:      CreeD: gah the old cheesy discussion :p

2:03 AM:        rsw: you can't really play machi in chess, at least not to the

extent as some people

2:03 AM:     Srider: it's just that the other players tactics and actions are

one step ahead of you

2:03 AM:    al`Thor: i never said cheesy :P

2:03 AM:     Srider: and you fall for it

2:04 AM:        rsw: srider: it's NOT that, they're NOT one step ahead of you

2:04 AM:        rsw: they WAIT and WAIT and WAIT for you to do something

2:04 AM:        rsw: and then take advantage

2:04 AM:    al`Thor: rsw: what your'e talking about doesn't only apply to vf,

it's in other games as well

2:04 AM:     Srider: heh.. that's just their strat...

2:04 AM:      dodee: barf.

2:05 AM:    CrewNYC: Srider yeah balls of steel are very important

2:05 AM:     Srider: al'Thor I wasn't disagreeing with you :)

2:05 AM:        rsw: crew: how do you need balls of steel to just stay back and

fuzzy?

2:05 AM:    al`Thor: Srider: i know you weren't

2:05 AM:        rsw: you really don't need very many.

2:05 AM:        rsw: it takes more to be an offensive player

2:05 AM:     Srider: fuzzy guarding is not invincible

2:05 AM:    CrewNYC: I have poor command input, so I lose more often in intense

battles

2:05 AM:    CrewNYC: I cant input correctly :(

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2:06 AM:    al`Thor: rsw: i'm not saying i would like or dislike someone playing

like that, but i don't blame the player, i blame the game, it's IMO poor design

of such trash does indeed ultimately turn out to be the best and ultimately only

way to win

2:06 AM:     Srider: infact.. when used in the wrong situations fuzzy guarding

and turtling can be taken advantage of.

2:06 AM:    al`Thor: and if it turns out the game does favor such trash, then

it's time to find a new game to play :P

2:07 AM:    CrewNYC: well at high level

2:07 AM:        rsw: al: it only works to a point. you have to take it in and

judge it at a point. even in real martial arts tournaments people play like

this, just ask godeater when he's on

2:07 AM:    CrewNYC: an akira player that beat a shun player 55:54 

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2:07 AM:     Srider: I don't find turtling to be a nuance in VF, in fact in many

tourney video the losing player will usually resort to turtling, and almost

always they lose...

2:07 AM:    CrewNYC: I would still say the akira was better

2:07 AM:    CrewNYC: winner is the winner really

2:08 AM:    CrewNYC: but on a lower level

2:08 AM:    CrewNYC: I would say the shun has more raw skill

2:08 AM:      CreeD: bleah, I see he's playing some second dan distraction ploy,

probably bitching about akira or some such. I just wanna throw in a gentle

reminder that rsw originally just asked how md went, and I gave a straight

answer, and he went out of his way to be a dick in reply. It's got nothing to do

with who played who using what cheesy technique.

2:08 AM:    CrewNYC: but if we were watching daioh ot something

2:08 AM:    al`Thor: rsw: i'm not sure what you're saying there

2:09 AM:    al`Thor: creed: actually it's turned into a rather namecalling-less

debate now ^_^

2:10 AM:      dodee: give it a sec.

2:10 AM:     Srider: I do find this rather interesting.. cause recently people

have accused me of turtling when i use wolf...

2:10 AM:     Srider: but I just think that i am blocking very well.

2:10 AM:      CreeD: -[ al`Thor ]- Yeah I guess I'm missing out on the fun

twists and turns the discussion has, that's ok. I've heard the akira whining and

the philosophy of machi junk before.

2:11 AM:        rsw: al: basically, i can't STAND people who think winning is

the only point of vf, and that that should be the ONLY point of playing the

stupid game. it has ALWAYS (except for certain people in the last couple of

years) been about the social aspect first. travelling hundreds of miles, meeting

in some new city, going out to dinner, etc, all that crap

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2:11 AM:        rsw: basically i think

2:11 AM:        rsw: it's just a fucking nerd game

2:11 AM:        rsw: anyone who takes it too seriously is fucking fucked up

2:11 AM:     Srider: it seems that if i block my opponent's attacks and punish

them for a failure to hit me with their mix ups, that I am turtling

2:12 AM:        rsw: and needs to be beaten with my ball peen hammer.

2:12 AM:    al`Thor: rsw: people play fighting games for different reasons, i'm

a little bit of both the social aspect and the competitive aspect

2:12 AM:     SummAh: Srider: ever noticed how ppl will only complain abt machi

when they lose? :)

2:12 AM:    al`Thor: there's nothing wrong with either IMO

2:12 AM:     Srider: I do find that the more i play VF4 the more fun it is to do

things that looks cool in the game... rather than winning.. rsw

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2:12 AM:     Srider: yeah SummAh i totally agree :)

2:12 AM:    al`Thor: some people play just because they wanna be the best they

can be at a game, to use a lame analogy, like ryu in SF :P

2:13 AM:      CreeD: don't worry about any accusations of mindless/styleless

play srider. "cheap" and "boring" and "no skill wins" and "machi" are 99 percent

of the time used by the loser. You'd don't hear the winning guy saying anything.

2:13 AM:     Srider: exactly CreeD

2:13 AM:        rsw: it's not no-skill, creed

2:13 AM:      CreeD: every time you think you see an abusable move/pattern in VF

and think there isn't anything your particular character can do to punish it,

you find out you can after playing a while.

2:13 AM:        rsw: i'll never deny adam of having skill

2:14 AM:        rsw: but i depise playing against him

2:14 AM:    CrewNYC: Creed exactly

2:14 AM:        rsw: it's not even that, creed

2:14 AM:     SummAh: although I must say...in the arcades...some ppl actually

bore me to death..to the extend i just 'kill' myself just so I can play other

games...so as far as I'm concerned..these ppl are 'bad' for the game

2:14 AM:    CrewNYC: the winner never wines

2:14 AM:        rsw: whatever, what the fuck do you know. you should take

blonde1's money and play him

2:15 AM:        rsw: maybe, just MAYBE, you'll understand why i talk about him

like i've done

2:15 AM:    CrewNYC: there is a social aspect of vf

2:15 AM:    al`Thor: if you are striving to be "the best" at the game, it

shouldn't matter what gameplay styles people against you, not matter how

brainless, skillless, or boring it may be, your goal is to beat them, and to

learn how to fight against such tactics

2:15 AM:    CrewNYC: but I dunno if the old vf2 crew played forst for the social

aspect

2:15 AM:     SummAh: al'thor: i can beat them...i'm just tired of their

'unlimited' stamina n deep pockets

2:15 AM:        rsw: crew: fuck you, andy, that's the thing most of us have been

trying to cram into your head. read ge's posts

2:16 AM:     Srider: this one cage/vane player i play against loves to hook

strings together with a low punch, and just attack attack attack, and both of

those character can piece togther flowcharts that seems unpunishable.  But i

manage to win..  

2:16 AM:        rsw: crew: by all means, tout that as what you and your crew

stand for, but don't ever try to force than on the older players

2:16 AM:      CreeD: -[ SummAh ]- in the short time I've played I got irritated

at what I felt was a boring and mindless shun, but after a little while I found

it was fun to try to beat the other guy into either giving up his pattern or

giving up shun di altogether and trying other characters. It's one way you can

theoretically force the other guy to be more fun. Of course some patterns like a

PETE-ish jacky are strong and boring and you can't really tal

2:16 AM:     Srider: and I don't call it boring or whatever.. 

2:16 AM:    CrewNYC: rsw: no I KNOW you guys played for the social aspect, but

was the #1 reason people played for a social reason than to win a MoAT

tournament or something

2:17 AM:     Srider: yeah CreeD, same kind of people around here lol

2:17 AM:    al`Thor: SF is the same way

2:17 AM:     Srider: people go to tourneys to win lol... not to just socialize

hehe

2:17 AM:    al`Thor: i mean the games are completely different, but this whole

discussion lends itself to all the other fighting games

2:17 AM:    al`Thor: i do know that without the play to win mentality, mvc2

would have never evolved into the game that it is today, which is vastly

different from what it was 2 years ago

2:17 AM:        rsw: crew: it'd be a close call, if you could somehow call up

the old crew and ask them, but i'd be willing to bet it would end up (perhaps

narrowly) on the social side

2:18 AM:      CreeD: even the social aspect is enhanced or ruined by how you

play. If you're a habitual loser and can't hang with the rest of the group, then

the social aspect becomes more important I think, you don't want to feel like

the gathering is wasted.

2:18 AM:      dodee: mvc2 is shit

2:18 AM:        rsw: but it's moot anyway, i think you only need to read the old

gathering reports to see it

2:18 AM:        rsw: actually i don't think it would be that narrow at all.

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2:19 AM:    al`Thor: dodee: it might be a shit game, but there is a degree of

skill and strategy involved in it, far too much for me to comprehend :P

2:19 AM:    CrewNYC: well sad to say 3tb and 4 are turning out to be heavy on

the competition side

2:19 AM:     SummAh: creedo: i dun entirely agree with ur view on this~

2:19 AM:     SummAh: but I AM SICK~

2:19 AM:    CrewNYC: it really doesnt pay to go so far unless you want to learn

to be better

2:19 AM:     SummAh: I SHOULD GO TO BED NOW~

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2:19 AM:     SummAh: so off I GO!

2:19 AM:             Zero-chan genkifies summa-kun

2:19 AM:     SummAh: goodbye all!

2:19 AM:     Srider: later SummAh

2:19 AM:      CreeD: -[ SummAh ]- which part, that it's maybe possible to force

a boring player to try something/someone more interesting?

2:19 AM:      CreeD: ok summah.

2:19 AM:      CreeD: night.

2:19 AM:     SummAh: next time lah beng~

2:20 AM:     baobab: night summah

2:20 AM:  grashoppa: bye summah

2:20 AM:        rsw: creed: not in the case of adam

2:20 AM:        rsw: he never changes, not even with the shittiest newbie

2:21 AM:        rsw: it's absurd

2:21 AM:        rsw: "AMMA FUCK YOU UP, NEWBIE!"

2:21 AM:    CrewNYC: nah he fucks with people

2:21 AM:     Srider: he uses that to his advantage.

2:21 AM:    al`Thor: rsw: if someone repeatedly beats the holy hell out of him,

you think he would be forced to change then?

2:21 AM:        rsw: i never, never, never, ever saw it

2:21 AM:    CrewNYC: newbies are the worst he does absurd shit to them

2:21 AM:     Srider: people get intimidated..

2:21 AM:        rsw: and you KEEP saying that

2:21 AM:        rsw: but i think it's bullshit

2:22 AM:     Srider: that's one of the emotional factors that plays into

fighting games..

2:22 AM:        rsw: when i was there in may 01 there were numerous mediocre

people

2:22 AM:        rsw: and he never let up

2:22 AM:        rsw: like, what the flaming fuck

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2:22 AM:    CrewNYC: well same with me and to a lesser extent hiro

2:22 AM:     Srider: I don't usually let up on newbies, but I don't talk shit to

them..

2:22 AM:    CrewNYC: I can never let up

2:23 AM:     Srider: i would help them to get better

2:23 AM:    CrewNYC: cause it causes my mindset of winning to go away

2:23 AM:    CrewNYC: so regardless of whether its a newbie or just avg player

2:23 AM:     Srider: I agree CrewNYC

2:23 AM:    CrewNYC: i'll try my hardest to win when im playing to WIN

2:23 AM:        rsw: but that's all you play for

2:23 AM:        rsw: zzzzz

2:23 AM:    CrewNYC: hiro sometimes gets lazy I thikn cause he knows he is

better than many people

2:23 AM:    al`Thor: i wish i had people to play in vf so i could actually learn

it ^_^

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2:24 AM:     Srider: i can totally see that Crew

2:24 AM:     Srider: that good players gets lazy lol

2:24 AM:     Srider: when they know they can win if they tried

2:25 AM:     Srider: especially when nothing is on the line.. like if you played

VF on the ps2

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2:25 AM:    CrewNYC: yeah thats true I wont deny it

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2:25 AM:    CrewNYC: I still play almost 100% just for the competition

2:25 AM:    CrewNYC: I would say 80 to compete 20 for the social aspect

2:25 AM:     Srider: but in the case of Adam, I would say that in the arcades,

there is reputation and most importantly.. win streaks and tokens on the line

lol :)

2:27 AM:     Srider: if I started to lose to a newb in the arcades..  I'd sober

up and come back and win.. cause I don't want them to think that VF is a game

that you can win just by ppp,down k

2:27 AM:    CrewNYC: Srider yeah thats treu

2:27 AM:    CrewNYC: I lost recently to a pai player who was doing d+p, f+pg

grab 

2:27 AM:    al`Thor: you can't win with that?

2:27 AM:    CrewNYC: or d+p, f+p, or d+p, heelkick

2:27 AM:    CrewNYC: all d+p setups

2:28 AM:    CrewNYC: I couldn't believe it

2:28 AM:     baobab: crew: was that at CTF?

2:28 AM:    CrewNYC: yeah against my shun too

2:28 AM:     baobab: it was prolly eric

2:28 AM:    CrewNYC: he beat rodneys akira infact

2:28 AM:     Srider: there is alot of mediocre players that sets up with low

punches also hehe

2:28 AM:     baobab: the guy who still has the time record at CTF :P

2:28 AM:      CreeD: -[ CrewNYC ]- £aff sounds like me, that sucks

2:28 AM:    CrewNYC: I think its the dude that pisses demetrius off with that

style

2:28 AM:     Srider: especially with characters that have low frame d+p

2:29 AM:    CrewNYC: man if I could only learn to dodge TE, or Dodge attack

faster

2:29 AM:    CrewNYC: later I though, hmm im stupid

2:29 AM:     baobab: i don't remember adam playing too horribly much VF4 in the

arcade

2:29 AM:    CrewNYC: I should just do a dodge attack after I block a l+p

2:29 AM:    CrewNYC: I know he'll keep attacking or grab

2:29 AM:    al`Thor: alright, sleep time

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2:29 AM:      CreeD: Ü› H, is this for real? . ..

2:29 AM:      CreeD: <weDge> So I had a girlfriend for all of 9 months. She

dropped by one afternoon when I was sick with a pan of brownies and a video tape

with the simpsons on it (my favorite show). so I start eating the brownies and

turn on the tape. midway through it, it cuts to her sucking off some dude. he

nuts in her mouth, she looks at the camera, and says "you're dumped. enjoy the

brownies" - and spits the mouthful of cum into a bowl of brownie mix. fucked 

2:29 AM:     Srider: i find that back dashing is alot more effective after

blocking a d+p

2:29 AM:     baobab: nelson and rodney were pretty much always there

2:30 AM:     Srider: night al'Thor

2:30 AM:      CreeD: night.

2:30 AM:  grashoppa: !!!!

2:30 AM:     Srider: hehe lol that's a good way to dump a guy

2:30 AM:        rsw: aagahrghejsg fj

2:30 AM:     Srider: i would be devastated...

2:30 AM:        rsw: you NEED to hit return more oftrn

2:31 AM:    CrewNYC: Creed NO SHIT!

2:31 AM:      dodee: *cough*urbanlegend*cough*

2:31 AM:        rsw: your 'books' never come through, matt

2:31 AM:        rsw: and, that..urban legend.

2:31 AM:      CreeD: it had the ring of it, it's original anyway

2:31 AM:     Srider: I've never heard that before heh

2:31 AM:      CreeD: well new to me =)

2:31 AM:      dodee: I've actually seen that in a porn clip before.

2:32 AM:      CreeD: except the girl was a guy

2:32 AM:      dodee: well, not the simpsons part, that was the necessary

"personalize it to make it real and mine" part

2:32 AM:     Srider: I wouldn't be surprised if some girl actually did that.

2:32 AM:      dodee: no guy would ever actually tell that story, for one thing

2:33 AM:     Srider: yeah

2:33 AM:      dodee: "hey! my gf cheated on me AND I ate the guy she was

cheating with's semen!"

2:33 AM:      dodee: nope.

2:33 AM:     shinra: lol

2:33 AM:             rsw gets behind dodee and nods

2:33 AM:             dodee farts

2:33 AM:     shinra: haha

2:33 AM:             rsw chops dodee's head off

2:34 AM:      dodee: nope. you'd be dead.

2:34 AM:     baobab: with a ball peen hammer?

2:34 AM:        rsw: you're ALREADY dead

2:34 AM:      dodee: you would die from the noxious fumes.

2:34 AM:     shinra: fist of the north star

2:34 AM:      dodee: it's like that DX poison gas from The Rock

2:34 AM:     baobab: and so would all life on the north east, i assume

2:35 AM:      dodee: cept me.

2:37 AM:    CrewNYC: where is srider from

2:39 AM:     Srider: I'm in Tennessee hehe

2:39 AM:     Srider: i'd survive

2:39 AM:     Srider: :)

2:40 AM:    CrewNYC: THEN COME TO NYC!!

2:40 AM:    CrewNYC: though I have no idea where that is from NYC

2:40 AM:    CrewNYC: heh

2:41 AM:     Srider: I want to very badly hehe :)  but I'm lacking in both time

and money.. :(

2:41 AM:             grashoppa shakes his head

2:41 AM:      CreeD: amma sleep.

2:41 AM:     Srider: see ya CreeD

2:41 AM:     baobab: tennessee is south andy...nashville, TN home of country

music?

2:41 AM:     baobab: creed: come to NYC

2:41 AM:     Srider: yeah I guess.. I don't listen to that crap though

2:41 AM:        rsw: take blonde's money

2:41 AM:  grashoppa: l8r creed

2:41 AM:        rsw: and go to nyg3

2:41 AM:      CreeD: later

2:41 AM:     baobab: 'night creed

2:41 AM:     Srider: hehe tell him to send it to me through paypal

2:41 AM:     Srider: lol

2:42 AM:     shinra: what money?

2:42 AM:        rsw: blonde one offered to pay creed's way to nyg3

2:42 AM:     shinra: whoa!!!

2:42 AM:     shinra: no shit

2:43 AM:     shinra: on pm?

2:43 AM:     baobab: where was this?

2:43 AM:        rsw: irc

2:43 AM:     shinra: whoa

2:43 AM:     Srider: blonde one and I had a minor disagreement about jacky in

one of my posts.. so maybe he'll pay for me also to go to nyg3 lol

2:44 AM:     baobab: Srider: just tell him you think no jacky could ever do well

against the character you play, then he'd do it :P

2:44 AM:     Srider: i play quite a few characters heh

2:44 AM:     Srider: jacky is one of them lol :)

2:44 AM:     baobab: then just pick one...like pai :)

2:45 AM:     Srider: ppp,d+k ?  hehe :)

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2:45 AM:    CrewNYC: im gonna play pai vs llanfair

2:45 AM:     baobab: just say something like "jacky'd be all worthless against

my pai's low p setups"

2:45 AM:     Srider: rsw if blonde one would pay i'd be happy to go :)

2:46 AM:     Srider: later CrewNYC

2:46 AM:     shinra: i would take the money!!

2:46 AM:        rsw: yeah fine whatever ask him, msg him, pm him on vfdc

2:46 AM:     Srider: hehe

2:46 AM:     shinra: and tell him "suckeeeeerr"

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2:51 AM:    CrewNYC: heh come 

2:51 AM:    CrewNYC: and get your ASS BEAT DOWN!

2:51 AM:    CrewNYC: :)

2:52 AM:     Srider: I think I can hang on with most of you :)  I not too bad I

think hehe

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2:56 AM:    CrewNYC: HAHAHA

2:56 AM:    CrewNYC: anyone who thinks they can

2:56 AM:    CrewNYC: never does...

2:57 AM:    CrewNYC: =)

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2:58 AM:     baobab: 'night everyone

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2:58 AM:     Srider: it'd be nice to play against more variety of people, I'd

like to get the dvd though when that's completed.

2:58 AM:     Srider: night baobab

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3:01 AM:    CrewNYC: yup np

3:01 AM:    CrewNYC: :)

3:01 AM:    CrewNYC: night

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