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#168482 - 2007-08-22 00:14 Re: Character Tournament Rankings in Japan [Re: Makatiel]
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1) I guess that would explain why Brad is also less popular.

2) Understandable, but from my POV: why play pedo-bait/kawai~i shit when you can go for the Ghold?

I wonder why Vanessa/Shun fall under the same category as well (okay, I can take a guess, but...)
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#168489 - 2007-08-22 04:07 Re: Character Tournament Rankings in Japan [Re: CGB_Spender]
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It's interesting isn't it how a character like Lion can be popular in Japan whereas a character like Goh is shunned, and then to see the complete opposite in the West.

But that does show how difficult it is to develop for two different markets with different tastes.
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#168494 - 2007-08-22 06:30 Re: Character Tournament Rankings in Japan [Re: Makatiel]
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 Originally Posted By: Makatiel

2) His appearance is too dark and personality-heavy for lots of Japanese VF players. According to my friends, VF players like "thin" or "light" personality characters. Almost all of the VF characters are generic and as far as I know, Japanese VF players like it that way. If they wanted more personality, they would play Tekken.


i understand the whole cultural difference thing, but i never really thought about personality when choosing a character for any game. hell, this is coming from a person who used to play tekken competitively and exclusively.
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#168497 - 2007-08-22 07:43 Re: Character Tournament Rankings in Japan [Re: CGB_Spender]
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 Originally Posted By: Sebo
I wonder why Vanessa/Shun fall under the same category as well (okay, I can take a guess, but...)


Well, another way you can look at who is the most popular characters are
1) original VF 1 crew
2) difficulty of using the character

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#168790 - 2007-08-28 02:40 Re: Character Tournament Rankings in Japan [Re: tribaL]
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 Originally Posted By: tribaL
 Originally Posted By: Makatiel

2) His appearance is too dark and personality-heavy for lots of Japanese VF players. According to my friends, VF players like "thin" or "light" personality characters. Almost all of the VF characters are generic and as far as I know, Japanese VF players like it that way. If they wanted more personality, they would play Tekken.


i understand the whole cultural difference thing, but i never really thought about personality when choosing a character for any game. hell, this is coming from a person who used to play tekken competitively and exclusively.


Well, I guess they likely mean looks and personality as seen through the characters moveset, win quotes, etc.

I'm guessing you probably don't really consider that because you play competitively. If you play mostly for fun, then you're going to want a character that you like, I would think.

Personally, I just like judo.

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#168791 - 2007-08-28 02:42 Re: Character Tournament Rankings in Japan [Re: ice-9]
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 Originally Posted By: ice-9
It's interesting isn't it how a character like Lion can be popular in Japan whereas a character like Goh is shunned, and then to see the complete opposite in the West.

But that does show how difficult it is to develop for two different markets with different tastes.


With Lion, I honestly also think that one of the main reasons he's unpopular in the west is because of his shitty voice. Seriously, he sounds annoying. In Japan, if they had an annoying sounding Japanese language character, I bet that character would be unpopular too. As it is, I'm guessing that they just don't understand (viscerally that is) how goddamn annoying Lion is.

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#168828 - 2007-08-28 18:09 Re: Character Tournament Rankings in Japan [Re: Makatiel]
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 Originally Posted By: Makatiel
 Originally Posted By: ice-9
It's interesting isn't it how a character like Lion can be popular in Japan whereas a character like Goh is shunned, and then to see the complete opposite in the West.

But that does show how difficult it is to develop for two different markets with different tastes.


With Lion, I honestly also think that one of the main reasons he's unpopular in the west is because of his shitty voice. Seriously, he sounds annoying. In Japan, if they had an annoying sounding Japanese language character, I bet that character would be unpopular too. As it is, I'm guessing that they just don't understand (viscerally that is) how goddamn annoying Lion is.


hey now... take it easy on lion. he's twice the man he used to be.
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#168987 - 2007-08-31 00:46 Re: Version B Rankings [Re: akai]
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Below is character rankings based on 2000 tournaments with a total of 66595 player entries during November 2, 2006 to July 23, 2007 (Pre-Version C). Due to less information available per tournament, only finals and winners categories can be calculated.



Comparing this chart versus the chart from the first post, the two charts are relatively similar in ranking characters. Does this mean that one-month-worth of tournament data is an accurate ranking of characters success in tournaments?

Below is a line graph looking at Goh's, Kage's, and Wolf's monthly "Winners" ranks.



For most of the months, the character rankings of Goh, Kage, and Wolf remain relatively at the same position to each other. However, character rankings in January is pretty skewed. Thus, one month worth of data may not be an entirely accurate measurement.

I am unsure how the "Tougeki Tier List" was derived, but for fun, comparing it to my character tournament "winners" ranking data, the Tougeki Tier List overrated Lei and underestimated Aoi.

As much as I try to make a fair, unbiased character rankings chart, there are always variables that can skew the data such as 1) differences between each tournament, 2) individual player skill level, 3) same character matches, and 4) possibly biased assumptions and errors on my handling of the data. So take the information with some reservation.

As for the "Above Average" and "Below Average" ranks, they were determined for the most part by the standard deviation between all the characters. For example, the above and below average rankings listed in this post is approximately plus or minus 5-10% from the average (50% winning percentage)

Next week or two, I should have the first full month of Version C Rankings up.

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#168988 - 2007-08-31 01:24 Re: Version B Rankings [Re: akai]
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Great job with these stats Akai. Really interesting data. I always wonder if AM2 does something similar to this.
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#168995 - 2007-08-31 06:51 Re: Version B Rankings [Re: DRE]
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damn akai...
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