Hi,


I've played VF3 and VF4 somewhat, but I'm reintroducing myself to VF this VF5. I would just like to ask for some help in learing Lion all over again so I would like to ask what's your top 10 (or 20) moves that I should learn in playing Lion? Some comments would also be nice as to why that move should be used.

Thanks!

Never mind, I just found out the Lion Wiki, read it first then ask questions later.

Thanks!

I noticed this thread was empty so i'm posting my own top ten hoping it will liven up the Lion subforum:

jab
There's also b,f+p+k but there's just not enough space for everything in a top 10 list.
elbow
Same goes for f+k, it has a solid hitbox and gives nitaku on CH but i had to choose one.
low punch
Way more magic than vanilla low punch. Besides, lion's d+p is 13f.
floater
A 15f move with great range that beats throws and floats on normal hit for decent damage.
CH floater
Mid, safe, magic hitbox.
low
Fastest low attack with knockdown in the game. Useful for beating defensive techniques.
+ track stomach
Vs evades, also good range.
track back
Maybe the weakest move on this list but covers his back.
+ anti-low
Lion has a bunch of anti-low moves but i like this one: positive on block and gives a good float.
DM + wtf move
Safe, circular, special high, 30 damage (!), float on CH.

Notice i'm missing df+k and p+k. BorisOfWales practically lives off stepping > midkick He also uses the qcb+p sabaki well, i think the move is very good good but i can't pull difficult motions like that consistently

I use Lions sweeps more than i'd like to, specially if i guess wrong with his semicirculars a couple of times. I'd hardly recommend them though, i've lost more games by having them blocked than not.

I'm sure this lack of mid attacks is probably my greatest downfall with lion. What do you think? Don't be afraid to answer with your own top ten

in the top ten?? It's -44 on block!

I agree as it has the awesome mix up possibilities of either going into one of its many strings or being followed up immediately with which 12f punchers cannot beat and anyone else has to be very quick about.

I reckon is awesome, great from crouch can go into kanpo mix ups from it and is 0 on block.

Which is essential for his most damaging wall combos and is guarenteed after (which is +19 on NH). I'm gunna have to test whether this works when opp is not against wall as range is tight

DM Most definately, 77dmg in CH combo in closed stance (everyone bar heavies). Or a 76dmg combo in open (char specific, very tricky online) but 73dmg ones are easy (for exp , , ).

/ > +2 on block. Has evasive properties such as the ability to go under highs. Can go around low punches, I think Mack was saying this works at -5. I can't remember he's good with technical stuff like that. Plus it is +16 on CH meaning is guarenteed for a nice 80ish points of dmg.

Just because it has good dmg potential even if it is hard to land. Also crouch fuzziable on block.

or (same move can be performed from a buffered crouch dash). Bread and butter Lion, moves opponant closer to wall, out of the ring. It can take them damn nearly halfway across the ring. 66dmg combos avalible for everyone bar heavies. 70 in open for some of the smaller chars like pai/blaze.

Kinda slow, not great on block. Has dmg potential of 38(everyone) to 53(char specific). Has a deceptive animation so it often works for catching an opponant off guard. Also the long animation sort of works in it's advantage as it's often not clear when you should sidestep.

Great dmg potential. Not specifically a move (2 moves). The second is a knockdown and guarenteed if the first is a CH. With chars that have long legs there are stance specific combos availible with 74dmg a possibility in closed stance. Against chars with short legs the follow up does I think around 60 on CH.

> , catch throw and because of the many other moves than come out of TRSF it can be a real mind fuck to mix it up with this. Especially if you've been hitting them with mids so they freeze when they see the stance. Also great for oki.

That's my top ten

is also great and has surprising range.

Anything that leaves him back turned also has great mix up possibilities.

Erdraug I wouldn't know what your greatest downfall is with Lion seeing as your XBL subscription ran out and now we can't have the games we had scheduled

Let's try to have some games this saturday since we'll be logged in for the tourney anyway

As far as , ok, i admit, i didn't give this much thought, i tjust put the low attack that i have the most success with, i usually telegraph and manage to get raped for it, i guess i'm not using it as i should, i'll try improvise with it a bit more.

You're definetly right about TRSF, don't know about though, i mean if i want a move that (usually) beats both high and low punch, well, i've always thought that would be more than enough

BTW is not even on block, i supose you mean fuzzy safe, right?

Uh yeah that's exactly what I mean lol I could've sworn it was 0 on block but it's 0 on NH, -5 on block.

While I'm at it I got wrong also, it's -30 on block. I got it confused with a move I consider to be just as useless. Although admittedly is much harder to block I just reckon the risk out-weighs the reward.

And also is only guarenteed after when opponant is close to a wall as pushes them back a little.

What about ?

Despite it's linear and slow, it goes under highs and gives a stomach crumple on CH for 66 dmg and it's -6 on guard.

There's nothing wrong with it but lion already has which also beats highs (and more) and gives comparable if not bigger damage on CH.

Not the biggest fan of that move either in Vanilla. Lion has tons of moves that go under highs anyway. It's good to throw out every once and again because of the visual mix up.

But if it works for you good stuff