Okay to add some further discussion on VFDC!

This is not to be taken too seriously.

But I'm trying to create a formula to see if we can work out who the best chars are in VF5. Yes I already know of Koedo and co's tier list before anybody chimes in.

So I've tried breaking them down into individual sections.

Throw Game | Punishment | Damage | Okizeme

I've plucked the throw game tier list from the previous thread

S Wolf, Kage, Goh, Aoi, Blaze, Jeffry
A Pai, ,Vanessa, Lion, Lau, Akira(Possibly B for me)
B Sarah, Lei Fei, Jacky, Eileen, Shun (0 DP)
C Brad

I actually think Blaze's throw game should be in S class now that I look at it. His directions a catch throw? Plus two damaging low throws.


Damage

Interesting one

S Jeffry, Wolf, Brad, Akira,
A El Blaze, Lau, Lei Fei, Goh(?)
B Jacky, Eileen, Shun, Vanessa, Pai
C Kage, Sarah(?), Aoi, Lion.

Not really sure of the placements here.

Punishment

S Sarah, Brad, Akira
A Jacky, Lau, Wolf, Jeffry,
B Goh, Eileen, Shun, Vanessa, Pai,
C Lion, Aoi, Kage, Lei fei

Feel free to add anything I have missed.

*(?) Unsure of placement

I gave up on Okizeme

But if I were to have two chars at the top it would be Lion and Kage. (Okizeme)

Jacky throw tier should be higher. 45 55 for 3 different directions given his speed and excellent strikes.

We talking VF5 B or C?

Regardless,

Throws

I'd bump Brad to B, Akira/Lau (maybe Lion) down to B, Goh/Aoi to A, Sober Shun to C (Drunk Shun B). If you count Vanessa as 2 characters: DS=A, OS=B

Damage

Sarah to B, Blaze to B

Punishment

Aoi to B (maybe), Vanessa DS=C (until -17), Maybe even bump Jeffry to S

Best Jiggle-step (etc)

S: Sarah, Aoi, Lion, DS Vanessa, Eileen, Lei-Fei
A: Jacky, OS Vanessa,
B: Blaze, Wolf, Kage, Goh, Jeffry, Akira, Shun, Pai, Lau

Boring as fuck to play

S: Lau, Pai, Akira, Goh
A: Wolf, Jeffry, Lion, Jacky, Kage
B: Vanessa, Shun, Lei-Fei, Brad
C: Sarah, Aoi, Eileen, El Blaze

Most picked by assholes

S: Entire cast

You're wrong, Sebo. Blaze's Jiggle-step is easily S+++OMGso1337 tier.

I laughed hard when I saw the title, then "meh, it was just a typo".

Lolwut? Why would Brad be anything but lowest tier for throws?

Also what makes you think Sarah should be placed at B for damage? Her wall damage is terribad and she suffers some serious hitbox down syndrome.

Blaze shouldn't be top tier (throws) because he doesn't have ground throws. That was the line of thinking in the original thread on throws i believe.

Kage lacks low throws so i don't think he should be S (i do realise that his standing throws are stupid good).

Eileen and Brad both have low damage coupled with few directions. You can argue about their ability to create 0 frame throw situations, but that's more to do with good play rather than good throws, right?

Jide do you have the time to explain how Vanessa's OS throws are A rank and DS punishment is B rank?

I am asking because you seem to have taken into account that Shun's throw game is B rank when he's sober but somehow the fact that Vanessa cannot be at both stances at the same times seems to have eluded you.

Thank you for your time.

Thanks to cgb spender and SDS for actually reading the thread title.

LOL at jiggle step good stuff

Sds once you take away knee strike and sadistic knee he doesnt have much left.

Personally I think it's hard to really break the game down in separate sections like this and get an accurate tier list, since the characters all work differently.

For example: people are saying Brad has the worst throwgame, but the way he works makes it easy to throw people (lots of 0-frame opportunities from his stances etc. ), so if they were any stronger there's a good chance Brad would be overpowered. Is there really any reliable way to take these things into account if you're gonna make separate lists like this?

Regardless, these things are fun to look at, so I just wanted to add that if we're going down this road, it's probably good to add a list for 'Distance Game'.

Distance Game tier list:

S Tier:

Vanessa
Akira (since you can't keep him out :X)
Kage
Lau

A Tier:

Jacky
Sarah
Shun
Lion
Wolf

B Tier:

Aoi
Jeffry
Lei Fei
Brad
Pai
Goh

C Tier:

Blaze
Eileen

Something like this? No particular order inside the tiers.

Not quite sure on a couple of characters:

I placed Akira in S because I always have trouble with him at a distance (or anywhere for that matter), dunno if other people agree with that.

Shun is weird with his evasive properties and his built-in backdash stuff, don't know if he should be in A or B.

I also don't know enough about Pai to place her on the right spot.

EDIT: Missed Goh, thx Seidon