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#166975 - 2007-07-13 00:45 The MMA thread
Shadowdean Shadowdean Carpal Tunnel Registered: 1999-09-26 Loc: Silver Spring, MD	Just put all the UFC/PRIDE/MMA stuff in here. Make it one place we can go to in order to discuss everything. To kick it off video game style - the intro for the new UFC game UFC _________________________ I am the game. Before, during, and after. Capital Punishment MMA: The fight is easy cause we train hard. The more you bleed outside the ring, the less you bleed inside.
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#166991 - 2007-07-13 10:22 Re: The MMA thread [Re: Shadowdean]
DarkGift DarkGift Addict Registered: 2007-04-14 Loc: NYC--Philippines	That game looks so sweet. _________________________ -Dark Fearless Wolf! NITAKU!!! "Nitaku is your strongest weapon, because no one can escape nitaku." -Itazan I play Wolf on oioron's XBL "omg they're part of that gay gang Nyg7!" -TonyFamilia PSN: DarkGift285
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#166993 - 2007-07-13 10:54 Re: The MMA thread [Re: DarkGift]
Garbage Garbage Enthusiast Registered: 2007-04-15 Loc: UK Manchester	Why does there not seem to be any fighters that use Kung Fu as a base for their standup game?
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#166997 - 2007-07-13 11:23 Re: The MMA thread [Re: Garbage]
Griever Griever Addict Registered: 2003-12-07 Loc: Poland, Poznan	Probably beacuse as far as Kung Fu is a great martial art, when fighting one on one with a pile of muscles there are better styles. I think so far most of the people fighting in UFC/Pride etc. prefer Muay Thai as their main weapon in standing fight. And I can understand why. In a well performed Muay Thai the stance is high, knees a little bent, the guard is really good, both hands protecting the head. The punches are done the same way as in boxing, and there is also kicks in this one so... well.... it is good, and efficient. There is also clinch and there are some throws (not too flashy, but hey, those are still good). And please, let's not confuse on-the-ring Muay Thai with what Tony Jaa did in Ong Bak. There is a difference. _________________________ "Yo ho!" - Tony Familia "Hit the Yomi button" - Jeneric HATERS ARE NEVER WRONG!
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#166998 - 2007-07-13 11:27 Re: The MMA thread [Re: Griever]
Garbage Garbage Enthusiast Registered: 2007-04-15 Loc: UK Manchester	Good answer. Is there no cultural factor though? If the sport takes root in China maybe? It's not like the other martial arts haven't evolved?
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#167004 - 2007-07-13 13:17 Re: The MMA thread [Re: Garbage]
Crazy_Galaxy Crazy_Galaxy Veteran Registered: 2003-07-06 Loc: Grimy London XBL GT: MrExpert optiUK	There are a few fighters who have a kungfu base just can't remember there names off hand. Tbh the nature of the game requires good Boxing/Kick Boxing/Muay Thai, anything else just becomes an added bonus/variety but not a main skill set. Also wouldn't say it's a cultural thing, it's just what works, MMA is getting bigger in China from what I heard and their fighters learn the required skill sets too. Edited by Mr_Expert (2007-07-13 13:21) _________________________ "Welcome to this crazy time!"
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#167012 - 2007-07-13 14:28 Re: The MMA thread [Re: Crazy_Galaxy]
vanity vanity Addict Registered: 2004-04-26	the short answer: the opportunity cost of training kung fu over muay thai or western boxing is too high. it is not to say that if you train good kung fu (i'd argue less than 5-10% of kung fu is any good), you won't be able to fight, but that you would be a BETTER fighter if that time was devoted to muay thai or boxing instead. _________________________ van's guide for how to not suck at VF. 1: Learn to do combos 2: Learn to poke 3a: Understand the concept of frames 3b: Incorporate throws 4: Learn all possible strings (all characters) 5: Learn (and incorporate) advanced defense
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#167016 - 2007-07-13 14:44 Re: The MMA thread [Re: vanity]
Garbage Garbage Enthusiast Registered: 2007-04-15 Loc: UK Manchester	Originally Posted By: vanity the short answer: the opportunity cost of training kung fu over muay thai or western boxing is too high. it is not to say that if you train good kung fu (i'd argue less than 5-10% of kung fu is any good), you won't be able to fight, but that you would be a BETTER fighter if that time was devoted to muay thai or boxing instead. You can't conclusively know that though.
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#167052 - 2007-07-14 01:13 Re: The MMA thread [Re: Garbage]
vanity vanity Addict Registered: 2004-04-26	no i can't know 100%, but the empirical evidence suggests it more than anything else. until you can show me several guys doing well in k-1 with a kung fu background, then i can't believe it's an equal style when it comes to standup fighting. _________________________ van's guide for how to not suck at VF. 1: Learn to do combos 2: Learn to poke 3a: Understand the concept of frames 3b: Incorporate throws 4: Learn all possible strings (all characters) 5: Learn (and incorporate) advanced defense
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#167132 - 2007-07-16 06:43 Re: The MMA thread [Re: vanity]
Shadowdean Shadowdean Carpal Tunnel Registered: 1999-09-26 Loc: Silver Spring, MD	In China, there is a budding mma scene - most of the strikers use San-Da as their means of stand up. THe problem with a lot of kung-fu training is that it does not incorporate live sparring. _________________________ I am the game. Before, during, and after. Capital Punishment MMA: The fight is easy cause we train hard. The more you bleed outside the ring, the less you bleed inside.
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