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So who do you guys think should represent the Dems?
Does anybody else get the feeling that somebody is paying Jeremiah Wright to speak up now and act like a complete fool?
Anybody here for McCain? Hillary? Obama?
For the record: I am not a Dem or a Rep, I'm for whoever is going to change this country around.
Edited by tonyfamilia (2008-04-2916:40)
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Hillary is, and has always been, unelectable. America may be too stupid and racist to elect Obama.
Too many Americans may listen to the talking heads on tv and think: "McCain supported the Iraq War which was launched for no good reason and has claimed the lives of hundreds of thousands of people and will cost us TRILLIONS of dollars, but Obama's preacher don't love 'Merica so I 'm voting for McCain."
I don't think we'll have to worry about a sex scandal
Edited by masterpo (2008-04-2916:12)
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Although I'm not American, I'd say Obama all the way... however we all know that majority of people (not only in U.S.) can be easily manipulated into voting for whoever does less harm to the present government...
Clinton is not a bad candidate IMO, however, to put it in simple words... she doesn't know when to shut up, and when to keep talking. That makes ppl wonder... can she really handle being the president?
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Man I'm not even sure how the preacher is even an issue...
For most that don't like Obama, his ex-pastor isn't as big of an issue as the fact that his middle name is, Hussein. That middle name is the main reason why most ignorant voters will not even hear him out.
I'm not saying that not voting for Obama is ignorant, but if the main reason that anybody would dismiss him is that his middle name is Hussein, that is just plain ignorant. His pastor is just icing on the cake for those that were ready to dismiss him solely on the basis of his ethnic background.
Barack Obama has a lot of White supporters and there are so many people ready for a change that I personally feel a lot of people are ready to put aside any racist, prejudice or sexist views they might have and give the candidate that's most likely to bring change a try.
My personal take on Obama: if he can bring the country together I'm all for him. It makes sense to me that a half-Black-half-White candidate with a Muslim father and a Christian mother who also grew up in Hawaii (one of the most culturally-mixed states in America) is more likely to succeed in bringing this country together. The million dollar question is: does he have what it takes to be president and move this country forward financially?
Sadly, I don't even bother with Hillary anymore. I was more than willing to give her a chance and I was really hoping that she would bring something different to the race but it's like all she does now is mudsling. What about the issues? I WANT to hear what she has to say, but lately, she's just been talking trash.
McCain pissed me off with his "... we will stay in war for a 100 years if we have to..." remark but I'm not ready to completely dismiss him yet though. I want to hear what kind of ideas he has to bring this country around.
Edited by tonyfamilia (2008-04-2916:39)
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Reverend Wright just won't go away. I can see why he makes people shy further away from Obama because Obama was a member of his church for 20 years and had Reverend Wright MC his wedding, which is not something you ask a person you aren't very close to to do for you.
However, Wright, on more than one occasion at this point, has stated that he believes the US government created AIDS to kill colored people. When asked about his thoughts on Obama's denunciation of his comments Wright said that he felt that that opinion was only political posturing on Obama's part and that Obama did, in fact, agree that the US government invented AIDS to kill blacks.
For Obama to claim that he was totally unaware of his reverend's hate speech after a 20 year relationship is really not believable. For Obama to portray himself as a candidate who wishes to unite Americans, only for it to be revealed that his pastor of 20 years is actually a racist hate-monger (who also claims that Obama is well aware of his views and always has been) makes Obama look terrible and is something I think the public needs to get to the bottom of before casting their vote for him.
Regardless, I feel that Reverend Wright has brought Obama back down to earth and shown that he may not be who he claims and that REALLY bothers me. I just don't know who to trust anymore, I don't think Obama can navigate the general election at all and I see Hillary as a REAL fighter and a hyper-competent candidate who has already been vetted and has a stronger chance of beating war-monger McCain.
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Yeah dude, I was was really rooting for Obama but this whole reverand thing makes me think, I mean having a person like that as a close confident is not really the typical "small time" scandals that come up.
I'm pretty sure the next president will be democrat--- from what I hear a good portion of republicans are getting tired of their own party.
So who do you guys think should represent the Dems?
Dennis Kucinich. Other than him I can't stomach the Democrats, or any party in the pockets of big business.
Originally Posted By: tonyfamilia
Does anybody else get the feeling that somebody is paying Jeremiah Wright to speak up now and act like a complete fool?
Hmmm, I dunno. I heard what he said, and I agree. He's the first person of faith I can agree with on social issues. People blasting him for telling history from a perspective glanced over in history books are no different than holocaust deniers.
Originally Posted By: tonyfamilia
Anybody here for McCain? Hillary? Obama?
For the record: I am not a Dem or a Rep, I'm for whoever is going to change this country around.
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