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#220818 - 2008-08-15 16:51
Which move will win when both hit at the same time
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SUGATA
Journeyman
Registered: 2007-08-19
Loc: Moskow
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If the active frames of your move connect with the active frames of your opponent's move, which move will win?
Brady guide say...ALGORITHM:
1st step-the move with less startup frames(i.e. faster move) will win.
2nd step-IF both moves have the same ammount of startup frames-THEN the more Damaging move will win.
3rd step-IF both have the same startup frames and deal the same Dmg-THEN the character with less Health will win.
4th step-IF both moves have identical speed and power(dmg) , and both characters have equal health-THEN the moves will Both hit!
But, there is some questions-mistake:
1)It seems that 1st step -not exist(the startup(exe) frames of move not use in this algorithm)!
So, 1st step is-which move is more Dmg, that win.
2)Question about the 3rd step-for ex., in Dojo(i have not a life bar)-so Do i have less health than my opponent(Cpu)?
What is the truth behind this?
Edited by SUGATA (2008-08-15 17:01)
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#220823 - 2008-08-15 17:07
Re: Which move win when both hit at the same time?
[Re: Gernburgs]
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Manjimaru
Pooh-Bah
Registered: 2003-06-11
Loc: Helsinki, Finland
XBL GT: ManjimaruFIN
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I think the part 1.) simply reads that the "faster move" will win. This is sort of obvious.
part 2.) the more damaging move will win; is definitely confirmed. I utilize this, especially at the start of round.
I havent been aware of the part 3., but I cant dismiss it either right now.
Also,related issue: in case of two sabaki moves that would in theory sabaki each other, the one that started later will win.
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#220827 - 2008-08-15 17:22
Re: Which move win when both hit at the same time?
[Re: Manjimaru]
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SUGATA
Journeyman
Registered: 2007-08-19
Loc: Moskow
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Why "1st step-the move with less startup frames(i.e. faster move) will win" is obvious? Both moves connect those ACTIVE frames at the same time, not that 1st move hit enemy before his move hits me-they both hits at the same time!
Example: i have +2, and perform 14fr mid elbow, ...and enemy at the same time perform 2P(12fr)...Which win?
By brady: win 2P.
but by dojo(Truth): win 14fr miod elbow.
PARADOX!
And yes, very good quetion about sabaki vs sabaki-which will win(i.e. deflect enemy's move), and what factors are play here?
Edited by SUGATA (2008-08-15 17:53)
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#220829 - 2008-08-15 17:47
Re: Which move win when both hit at the same time?
[Re: SUGATA]
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Manjimaru
Pooh-Bah
Registered: 2003-06-11
Loc: Helsinki, Finland
XBL GT: ManjimaruFIN
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Hmm youre right, I didnt read the first part: "If the active frames of your move connect with the active frames of your opponent's move, which move will win?"
Ok, in that case Brady guide is flat-out wrong. The deciding factor first is in my opinion the damage of the moves. I dont know would the startup-frames have any effect in case of equal damage moves or not.
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#220834 - 2008-08-15 19:11
Re: Which move win when both hit at the same time?
[Re: Manjimaru]
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Sp00n
Enthusiast
Registered: 2007-07-22
XBL GT: Orbitalflame
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I don't believe health left has any relevance. I've seen several ocassions of a "cross counter" with double k.o's on low punches etc. Both players will get hit if the moves have the same speed&power regardless of health. I'm 100% certain of it.
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#220835 - 2008-08-15 19:16
Re: Which move win when both hit at the same time?
[Re: Manjimaru]
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Sorias
Addict
Registered: 2007-11-02
Loc: Seattle
XBL GT: Sorias
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Startup frames do matter, but brady has everything backwards.
The *first* thing checked is damage... higher damage always wins.
The second thing checked is execution speed. I believe it's actually the slower move that wins, however, not the faster one. So, the player that started with advantage should always win.
Remaining health has no effect on this at all.
Also,related issue: in case of two sabaki moves that would in theory sabaki each other, the one that started later will win.
This makes perfect sense and is an unrelated issue... the move used first enters active frames first, while the later move is still in it's sabaki frames. The time before that while both are in sabaki frames causes zero interaction to actually occur.
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#220865 - 2008-08-16 02:00
Re: Which move win when both hit at the same time?
[Re: Jide]
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Tricky
Old Hand
Registered: 2007-03-31
Loc: Pittsburgh, PA
XBL GT: Tricky VFDC
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I'm pretty sure somewhere on the wiki it says that if both moves hit the one that does more dmg wins i.e. kage using a 9K+G against a rising kick will win. However if they're both the same dmg health plays a role in who wins though I forget who's in favor in this situation, all I know if that if you both have the same health in this situation you both get hit but I don't remember who wins if health differs.
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#220896 - 2008-08-16 12:44
Re: Which move win when both hit at the same time?
[Re: Jide]
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Sorias
Addict
Registered: 2007-11-02
Loc: Seattle
XBL GT: Sorias
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Remaining health has no effect on this at all.
Although funnily enough in VF4 it did as there was a hidden catch up feature. If there was a pt gap of 50pts, the player losing would get priority. It's possible that this feature is in VF5 too. Yeah random bit of trivia ;p
Interesting, it's certainly possible it's still there and I don't know about it. I'm pretty sure the stuff I wrote earlier is from some translated arcadia article that got posted 6 months ago by Myke?
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