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#214085 - 2008-07-04 10:15 which move to cause side crumple
B3rni B3rni New Challenger Registered: 2007-12-21 Loc: Germany XBL GT: B3rni	i personally use + but ive seen many lion users(including chibita and fuudo) prefering the + + why? what do u think we shall use $\:\)$ _________________________ I dont use a Character. The Character uses me to its full Potential. DOA 4 M4STER!
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#214150 - 2008-07-04 23:01 Re: which move to cause side crumple [Re: B3rni]
Chanchai Chanchai Pooh-Bah Registered: 1999-11-11 Loc: Portland, Oregon (USA)	For a side crumple, I mainly use: + OM I've never really used for side crumple, outside of getting the side crumple on accident. -Chanchai
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#214188 - 2008-07-05 06:47 Re: which move to cause side crumple [Re: Chanchai]
B3rni B3rni New Challenger Registered: 2007-12-21 Loc: Germany XBL GT: B3rni	why? because the minor -6 on block? _________________________ I dont use a Character. The Character uses me to its full Potential. DOA 4 M4STER!
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#214276 - 2008-07-05 20:47 Re: which move to cause side crumple [Re: B3rni]
Chanchai Chanchai Pooh-Bah Registered: 1999-11-11 Loc: Portland, Oregon (USA)	In my case, it was mainly because I'm just more comfortable using + and I'd mostly seen people using that. The situation I mainly use is as a mid-range poke if I suspect my opponent will evade to Lion's front. However, in that same situation, I prefer using . For whatever reason, I do like staggering opponents with , but I think it's an old habit... Range permitting, (or if you will) is the way to go if you suspect a crouching opponent (then again, there's always + too). I think my main concern, and I have not looked at the total frames to verify this whatsoever, is that I feel that an evaded is wide open, yet I never feel that vulnerability with +. Guess now's a good time as any other to look at the frames and verify. -Chanchai
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#214277 - 2008-07-05 20:56 Re: which move to cause side crumple [Re: B3rni]
Chanchai Chanchai Pooh-Bah Registered: 1999-11-11 Loc: Portland, Oregon (USA)	Just looked at the numbers and does seem a very comparable choice if used specifically for side-MC. This is how it compares to +: * More damage (24 vs. 20) -- A factor if two attacks hit at the same time. * Only 1 more total frame (44 vs. 43) -- so vulnerability to evades may only be marginal at best. * 1 frame slower execution -- this is a factor in going for MC, though it is only 1 frame. That said, this is where the total frames difference is from (which probably also means that vulnerability after an evade isn't there). * Execution may actually be the same if you consider the modified (pre-buffered Crouch Dash) requirement of + in most situations. * is half-circular, + is not. All that said... I still like my finger tips of doom. But you have a good argument for .
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#214423 - 2008-07-06 17:24 Re: which move to cause side crumple [Re: Chanchai]
B3rni B3rni New Challenger Registered: 2007-12-21 Loc: Germany XBL GT: B3rni	so its an individual decision $\:\)$ thanks for the pro/cons _________________________ I dont use a Character. The Character uses me to its full Potential. DOA 4 M4STER!
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#222475 - 2008-08-29 05:57 Re: which move to cause side crumple [Re: B3rni]
Unoriginal_Sinn Unoriginal_Sinn New Challenger Registered: 2008-05-16	One thing to take into consideration is that + will keep the opponent side turned on a normal hit whereas will reset the position... unless i am mistaken. i dont really play lion much.
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#223828 - 2008-09-11 08:23 Re: which move to cause side crumple [Re: Unoriginal_Sinn]
Chibitox Chibitox Enthusiast Registered: 2002-03-04 Loc: Paris, France	On block 4_6P+K is -6 and pushes opponent so it's safer than 3K which will leave you at -7 in throw range most of the time. 4_6P+K is also a two handed move so it will beat any sabaki or Aoi's YY. _________________________ "VF is like a game of chess... u must think first before u move" Gamertag: chibitox
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#228202 - 2008-10-17 03:56 Re: which move to cause side crumple [Re: Chibitox]
XxLegaiaxX XxLegaiaxX Regular Registered: 2008-10-15 Loc: Italy XBL GT: XxLegaiaxX	+ used to confuse the opponent make believe him you make or lateral movement and + , but if the enemy is crouch this movements not have effect, but if you do after the + lateral movement and + and can be incisive and however can make distance against the enemy if he is in guard( + )and think the successive movement, but can be combining also with + after lateral movement. Edited by XxLegaiaxX (2008-10-17 03:59) _________________________ Mantis-man.... forgot to train eh?? why don't make a tekken vs virtua fighter to prove that Tekken is a noob game?
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