Eileen Unblockables

Okay so I've been playing around with some of Eileen's lesser used moves throughout the course of a casual match and wanted to talk about her . Overall it is okay move. It has quite a bit of distance on it, its only -5 on guard, it has a low sweep follow-up, and if guarded is cancelable into other cancelable or combo ending moves. The unblockable part comes in if you OM to the opponents side and hit off -. The first hit must be blocked for this to work and will grant Eileen 1 on the side, then the (which is a 2-hit 18f mid followed by a 5f high) will connect leaving your opponent unable to block. You also must be aware which side you OM to as this only can work if OM towards opponents back not stomach. Now the timing is tricky for this and you have to have your inputs in perfect. The must be intput before the animation of her finishes if you know what I mean it cannot be done after, it has to be like your inputting 1 move. This makes this hard to do under pressure but of course can be done and actually these's footage of this of me testing for the 1st time thanks to nWo you can find the video. This risk/reward for using this is "meh". If your opponent ducks or sidesteps (in the correct direction) your you can be launched free, and if you screw up the inputs and do the low sweep by accident and your opponent blocks, you get launched again for free.

So tldr OM to side - and score knockdown or ring out. (use with caution)

 

There are still unknown side turned black arts out there yet...

 

This is stance specific depending on what character your up against, so you have to be aware. (I'll update on who exactly it will work on and how you and your opponent needs to be standing later). Strange this won't work on some characters I know for a fact it won't work on Taka and really there is no benefit to using it on him anyway .


This is the tightest I can get, with my inputs and any slower it seems like the game just disregards your and gives you the low sweep followup. I'd set the difficulty at like a 8 out of 10.

 

Looks like the blocked in side turn (toward back) forces back turn on some characters, allowing the cancel into to hit even if the opponent is still holding ? That's nifty.

EDIT: Looks like it doesn't work on Wolf and Jeff. That's not surprising, I guess. Cancelling into will hit them though, giving you +7. But obviously that can just be ducked under since it's high.

 

Yup.. it's a no go if you're fighting Wolf, Taka, or Jeff guessing the isn't strong enough to force them back a turned. There are still a lot of solid mixups you can do though thanks to her cancel ability.

 

You're probably right. The +1 it displays is probably in reference to if you don't cancel into anything after. Canceling into 214P does register as a back hit though if they continue to stand block, according to dojo, so I was shooting in the dark with my assumption based on that.

 

I tried canceling into her which is 11 frames just like her jab, but the start-up for that's move is too slow so it didn't work. I tried 236K as well and it didn't work either maybe if it was a mid though. I also tried 9P+K+GK, 236P+KK.

The best I think can be done is cancel into monkey split to make them hopefully fail evade then use the unblockable options off of that stagger.

 

ok, so this definetly works, cant be evaded, crouched or attackd out of. But only from toward Back ST, this makes it different then the other ST black arts i know of.
The one way to defend this is to duck the 6 K+G alltogether , same way you kill Kage's

Marly, where you getting the +17 on ST guard from? I know we all see +1, but where did you hear +17 and how would we know? Strange if there is an advantage that is not listed, and i usually assume she has no real adv. from these cancels because we can always attack out of them, so none are guaranteed...until now... so for now I am chalking it up to Side turned black arts, not frame advantage. Just like kage 4p+k,p and Jean charged k~kk

 

Holy ballz!! Even Pit, ST 6K+G~9p+k+g,p = magic , its not guaranteed, but it keeps opponent locked in side turned and get this...switches opponent stance !?!? so lets say you are ST but you are not on the correct side to get the unblockable, you can theoretically use this now to keep them locked in and switch them to correct side !....crazy. I love VF!!!

 

This sounds interesting but I'm kinda confused about the "switches opponents stance" thing. When I do it, weather the opponent is set to counter, normal, or block after the 9P+K+G hits I don't see a stance switch?

 

Side turned 6K+G~9p+k+g,p, if they were locked in to left shoulder side turned , after blocking this they should be right shoulder side turned.

Marly, dont understand both sides so long as you OM front, isnt that the sides we are talking about?

 

Got it marly thanx for clarifying, I was thinking it was only opponent that mattered, good catch

 

just adding that she has many guaranteed situations on hit from her cancel techniques, and all the listed frame data is assuming you have not decided to continue a string or cancel into a "stance." None of the frame data realized takes into account cancels or interrupt techniques. To get that you gotta checkout the thread that Marly linked to.

 

Thanks for clarifying this actually makes it easier and practial not worrying about how my opponent is standing.

 

Only way this works on Wolf Jeff or Taka is if they press while holding block after her is blocked they can't even flinch, they have to choose before hand. There is no visual que. That's why I thought at first it worked on Wolf and Jeff but most likely the player was dedicated to blocking sweep and pressed and got caught.