Aoi Oki & Meaties

I'm trying to gather all the information regarding her okizeme in that thread.
I'll edit later and add more ideas and videos.
Like the title suggests, I'm going to post Aoi's main options to pressure the opponent when he decides to tech roll after KND, mostly meaties.
Your agenda will be to force him to only guard after the tech ( in fear of the meaty options ) in order to low throw / throw him.
Note that most meaty options I have tested work on regular tech roll vs MidWeight, some meaties don't work vs perfect tech roll or the timing will differ, same thing with the weight of the character you're fighting. For example, it's easy to adjust the timing of your by watching your foe's tech roll animation.
But there are some meaties what work whatever the weight or the tech roll.
Run your own testings !

General ideas:
Waste frames with OM or dash .
Most of the time, LW fall down slower, so waste more frames, while against HW, you'll need to be faster.
Generally, moves what requires to not waste any frames with dash or OM to be meaty will not work vs perfect tech roll.
To make some moves work meaty against perfect tech roll, you'll need to waste less frames.
Run your own testings !

Let's start with moves what KND on hit or CH.
You''ll get and often for Aoi's punishment game, while Tenchi parry against punches & elwbos will allow you to get .
Her sweep beats evade and KND in that case, so take advantage on it.




KND



OM
Wait a few frames after the OM. You can get +5 if you're lucky.
Option select with the down attack if he stays on the ground.

OM
A easy one, her side kick works on most situations as a meaty. You get +8 to +10. At +10, free throw attempt !

OM
Ideal to push to the wall or the edge of a ring.

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Dash with , and do ( yes the bound move ). You can get +4 to +7 on force crouched hit.
From +6 you get a low throw attempt if the opponent just hold G.

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Start a crumple combo.

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Ring Out potential or over a half fierce wall, hit checkable

~ Sundome
You get a stagger with the knee.

Jumping ( descending )
+11 for a low throw attempt.

OM
against perfect tech roll, HW only

~ Sundome (
vs HW


First two punch must whiff. +6 if your opponent get hit, last hit guaranteed for an other KND.
Doesn't work on HW.

~ Sundome
vs HW only


The high punch must whiffs, the kick causes a stagger.

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Her slow low punch to chip some damage. Leaves her at -2 to 0 possibly



KND



OM vs perfect tech

OM

OM ( vs LW & MW )

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~ Sundome
vs LW

OM ( vs MW & HW )




Side Hit



OM

OM

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or OM,

~ Sundome

Jumping ( descending )



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CH





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You need to input the command for the hit throw right after the sweep, you can't wait to see if he's going to tech or not. First hit will whiff, total damage is 45 if you do it right.

OM Low Throw: once your opponent tech and just hold G, you can low throw him.
Doesn't work if he does a perfect tech.




KND



Low Throw

Jump ( while descending )

Jump ( while descending ) : low kick vs lightweights only

OM

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~ Sundome








~ Sundome

OM

or OM,

 

Based on the same kingo's thought, i give some tricks or gimmicks oki after a combo or a down. The basic idea is caused a stagger with sundome or +10 with .

First of all against Lau, Kage, Lei, Brad, and Goh (All mid weight ^^) you can perfom an easy +10 with a :
successful sundome ~ ~ ~.
(You can use the same pattern with )
It's esay to break the stagger, be careful.

You can missed deliberately a combo to make a sundome too. Some examples :

Works in Close stance and Open stance for all mid weight
~ ~ ~ sundome

Works in Close stance and Open stance for all mid weight
~ ~ sundome

Works in Close stance and Open stance for all mid weight
~ ~ sundome
Note : For this combo you can use too sundome or sundome pretty cool

Lau (+6 both stance), Kage, Lei, Brad and Goh (+6 CS, +7 OS)
~ ~

Lau (both stance), Kage (CS), Lei (both stance), Brad (both stance), Goh(CS)
~ ~ ~ sundome

Another +10 with

Against Goh
Note 1 : Don't buffered the satnding punch () after
Note 2 : You must perform a during or just after the last hit of

OM back ~ ~

Against Brad, Akira,Jean, Jacky, Jeffry, and Wolf ( don't use for Wolf)
Note 1 : Don't buffered the satnding punch () after
Note 2 : Perform a fast dash when Brad, Akira,Jean, Jacky, Jeffry knocks the ground

OM back ~ ~ ~

I make later another tips for Aoi's low throw

First of all, low throw hasn't a true meaty. You must adjusted your timind (which depend on weight and finisher) and you must find a marker (oppenent knock down for example).

Mid and heavy weight are more vulnerable against low throw.

some example
Against mid (Law, Kage, Lei, Brad, Goh) and Jean
~ ~ ~ LT
Note : The forward dash must be buffered
Note : Against Jean LT must be buffered

Against Akira jacky
~ OM back ~ ~ ~ LT
Note : The forward dash must be buffered

Against Jeffry Wolf
~ ~ ~ LT
Note : The forward dash must be buffered

 

The problem with your sundome K meaty after juggles is that you have to sacrifice around 15-20 dmg everytime, which doesn't really worth it, considering Aoi already doesn't do much damage on middle weight. I meant, instead of doing like 69 dmg after 33P+K, you do almost 50 with non guaranteed oki options afterwards.

I will post the next days the meaty options I use after non-cut combos.

 

I'm interested by your meaty set up. I use mainly 3k, 46p+k, 6643p, 66 LT, 46pp+g after a combo. (That's depend on weight class and finisher).
For fakes combos, i use them somtimes against a tech roller, and most of the time they tech and loose the round or the matche. It's up to you sacrified or not dmg. But i understand your reluctance, Aoi's laucher are slow and unsafe after all.

 

Good stuff kingo. make our training easier now Aoi is really fun to use.

 

This thread is disgusting @kingo ! I better get started on Eileen's version of this so she'll be gross too.

 

This thread has information for all new and familiar Aoi players to learn from and she is not gross, but of refinement. How dare you, sir?

 

I'm wondering why you chose those very characters as dummies...

big mystery!

 

This thread is great! It is reminding me how to waste frames to make meaty timings easier. Time to write Eileen's down too! I need to document my technology better like kingo has done here. I am so impressed.

 

I did something similar with pai in pai forum But with less info especially with the throw meaties , I should make it like kingo did here.great work by kingo indeed

 

Well, the thread is old, I should reorganize the information in a more handy way. Like that:

; Side Hit ;
Give a knockdown with more or less the same meaty options.

~sundome
Safe on block ( fuzzy guard possible ), stagger on hit for a free
Then you can do a normal throw instead of sundome

OM,
Option select with her down attack if your opponent stays on the ground.

Jump, while descending
Safe on block ( fuzzy guard possible ), free low throw attempt afterwards.
You can then mix up with a raw jump followed by a standing throw.

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The standing punch has to whiff, then the elbow can give you +6, also safe


The first kick must whiff. Then why not mixing up with just then throw after conditionning your opponent ?


The punch must whiff, and the kick follow up gives a small stagger.
Next time, just stay BT with and use her BT options.

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Starts a crumple combo, most rewarding option.

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because you want to chip some damage to make your opponent crouch. Leave you at -2 or 0 on hit.
If you're lucky, near the wall, at the right angle, you get a wall stun for a free wall combo.

OM,
+8 is nice advantage in case of success

OM (or),
To push your opponent near the wall or the edge of a ring, even on block. Can be nasty.

OM (or),
Gives a KND, Ring Out potential over low fences.

OM,
Unsafe, but is a low, and you have a follow up for the string to prevent hard punishment

OM,, Low Throw
If you ennemy doesn't evade or attack after his tech roll.