Idea to make Commands section more useful

This has likely been said before, but it'd be nice if the command list pages were setup so that there's a stationary frame with the headers to each column. When you're kinda diving down the list, it's kinda brain numbing going back up to the top of the page to verify you are indeed looking at CH frames, etc.

It seems like it'd be an easy fix if it's set up as a style sheet...

How bout it, VFDC gods?

 

I proposed this to Myke a months ago. He was very enthusiastic and.. now you're writing. So, ..

 

Well, couldn't hurt to right word in the right ear again. Myke's got his thing going on, didn't know if anyone had suggested it.

 

I've since memorized it, but I can see the appeal.

I'd love to see sideturned frame data listed, that'd be awesome

 

Well you can calculate them from your head; only thing you will be missing will be the sidecrumple on specific moves.

 

yeah, and i mess up the math sometimes cuz the formula can be hard to remember.

 

All good ideas, maybe just adding the sidecrumple in the notes column of the move.

Adding the ST frames may motivate people like me to use more this aspect of the game ( I don't DM enough ^^").

About the formula : Here
Up to 14 pts: +2 frame bonus

Between 15 and 24 pts: +3 frame bonus

25pts or more: +6 frame bonus

 

See the thing with the dmg formula part is I don't actually know how much dmg many of my moves do on their own so I can't make that calculation mid match. I know what my move is on block, but I can't tell you how much dmg my move does except for a very small select few moves.

 

Cool thanks for the teaser, myke. I only ran into this because of the fact that I'm playing so much 4EVO and there's no numerica data in the game, just the stupid bars, so I'm constantly having to look up stuff in training to see what's what. At least FS has numerical data so I only look at the command list for extra notes.

 

I have an idea to make command list a bit more intuitive for new players.
If someone clicks on a specific command a usefull popup resume of that move appears. However i was never satysfied with the image, since a static image cannot show all about a move.
So... why not use some gifs? They may be big for a quick load of the page but I would like to know from @Myke if the images in the popup menu are loaded only when someone clicks on a move or if they are loaded when the page is.

 

Dear Myke,

I belatedly watched oneida's video on Vanessa's Defensive Style. I'll be honest: after overcoming the mesmerising voice, I started thinking "why recommend her sweep? That's a sure fire recipe to get yourself killed!" and " no mention of her DS hit-throw or her DS counterhit launchers? how is she supposed to damage her opponent?!". I was about to leave a comment, pointing potential readers towards the Vanessa Top Ten moves thread - and then realized that the thread is overly long and full of opinions, not always expressed in a constructive manner. The thread is 4 years old at this point which understandably could cause potential readers to dismiss it as deprecated.

This realization had me thinking about possible ways of tapping this knowledge about character's moves buried in the forums.

Which leads me to my recommendation for the command list: would it be possible to add an extra column where users can rank their favorite moves for each character? this way, a new player could go in to the command list and select this new column and sort moves "by popularity"!

Soul Calibur has such a feature built-in within its in-game command list: there's the normal stuff (A-moves, B-moves, K-moves, combination attacks etc.) and then there's an extra tab for each character's "signature" moves that the devs decided to single out for new players. My proposal would emulate this feature - except instead of the devs you would outsource it to VFdc users.

Alternatively, if ranking each move appear overkill, maybe a simple "favorite" move would be sufficient; limiting it to an arbitrary amount (eg. a "top ten" people seem to like those) would ensure that users would not just favorite every single move of their favorite character and would still allow to sort moves by popularity.

Implementing such a feature would even allow us, when/if VF6 arrives, to see trends and changes in users' playstyles (for example, I was initially favoring DS 4P but ended up realizing that DS 1P+K was frequently superior and swapped them around in my "top ten".) Also I realized that landing DS 3P+K should be my #1 priority while in that stance so now I have a top 11 (which would be problematic with implementation #2 - maybe a top 20?) but the point stands, my evaluation of her moves changed overtime and such a feature would allow you to keep track of that and publish some interesting stats from time to time and initiate discussion

 

I think an easy solution would be to have a disclaimer in the beginning of the command section saying something like, "for an in-depth analysis of these moves click here" and it links to the character's move analysis page of the wiki. Many of the completed/semi-completed pages already have a top ten list. Maybe this can also be a little motivator for the other content managers to finish their pages.

 

Oops, I totally forgot about the wiki. But maybe it proves my point? Indeed there's more info (and this time presented in an easy to digest format) but, between Kaibutsu's guide, acebreaker' guide, Maki's top 10 and my attempt to fill each standardised section, one can easily get confused/overwhelmed and give up reading.

Anyway, I don't think it's really worth considering now - maybe once VF6 is out, as a means of keeping forum-goers engaged?