This is cool. I want to learn some Shun Di for sure. Too many characters to learn and not enough time.

This is some mistake probably - both 6p+g and 66p+g are available at 0 DP, but 6p+g gives no drinks while 66P+g gives +4 drinks.

Heh, ooops! Fixed it, thanks.

This probably means that it can go under /over this moves

both 2K and 1P of shun have such a low hurtbox it goes under most special highs and even mids

6K+G goes over lows in the same way

Just to clarify this further...a crush type move will always beat the respective hit level regardless of timing. So...the examples above always win regardless of timing and in turn allows them to be done on reaction. Where there are other attacks that will only out prioritize a hit level but only during active frames. For example k+g will also always avoid/beat lows at an even situation but it still requires timing so essentially it is not a crush. However, 6k+g can be done at any point during the opponents low attack (from the first frame all the way up until the final frame)and it will always win regardless no matter how fast the opponents attack was.

Shun has many others that fit both these scenarios and knowing when and how to use them seem to be a major part of doing well with him (moreso than for other characters)

Kind of hard to explain clearly so I hope that makes sense to others

Thanks @resist. I haven't tested this stuff myself so 'crush' is the correct term to use here?

I don't know if there is any vf specific term for this attack type (although its been around for many iterations of vf) but if not, I assume crush is as good as any. This term is often the "go to" term in fighting games for moves that have this type of property so....

Maybe that's a question that can get a definitive answer in the general dojo. It should definitely have a name one way or another because the two attack types are in fact different. Some attacks avoid a specific hit level while others "crush" a specific hit level and each have their own application. Therefore to classify them all as attacks that merely avoid a certain hit level is not truly giving a full and clear understanding of the attacks ability.

Thank you for translating this; i have now learned that Shun has a 11f high punch.

But it certainly doesn't work like other high punches. Doesn't have + frames on block like a normal p would so its not used on the same way

It's been in the command database for years now.

The 46+P series is pretty versatile too, as Shun may cancel into BT SOU after enough drinks in addition to throw or P+K for a CH combo (better combos during the right foot stance). Also, a kill hit from any 46+P attack allows for P+K4 (when unlocked) to grant an extra DP at the end of the round (5 DP). Keeping track of both DPs and foot positions is paramount here for max combos, perhaps too hard for many players imho.

But stance awareness is the key with Shun. Basically because all Shun's non-stance half circulars cover the back and only 1KK covers the stomach. Stance work is different, but the basic premise seems to be that using Shun's foot stance changing attacks to keep opponent guessing is important. The 46P series and 3P are useful here, even 3K. Things seem to be against 1KK since it's damage is bad, but it sure is one annoying little bitch as always and exists exactly as a major annoyance and a setup for better stuff.

I find 6K+G amazing, as interrupting it for a float is not easy. A lot of frames so I guess an quick evade is the best in any case. Trying to play 2P game against Shun is often a painful mistake. 6K+G aside, 1P on block makes 2P whiff so even a 6K+G connect during recovery phase (the real counter to blocked 1P abare is an elbow class attack), 46P series P+K eats 2P like nothing and 3K seems to have a great hitbox for eating 2P in many situations.

Fuudo and Itazen destroyed folks using the 46P series. It's such a great move and string that jails.

Update: Now pimped out with fresh DP emoticon goodness

Shun's normal punch is 12f but it's really easy to get +3 from block by hitting with the tip of the fist, or doing two in a row which often makes the range adequate. This means that the usual 15f moves get stealth 'elbow class' properties. The 15f high punisher launcher also gets better along with the seminal 6P series.

Adding this to awsm 11f punch series with buttload of options means that Shun is quite a nasty geezer close and personal.

EDIT: I missed before that Shun himself also seems not to get 3P to go under Shun's 5P for some reason.