Vanessa combo thread

Going through some of the combos on Shun right now:

DS

b+p+k CH: 1-2DP

> p+k,p > f+p,k,k does not work
> df+p > p > f+p,k,k is either hard or impossible
> p+k,p > f+p,df+k does 74 dmg but only if done up close (players back to the wall position, whifs from centerposition)

df+p+k NH: 1-2 DP

> p+k,p > f+p,k,k requires different delays depending on foot stance
> d+p+k > p > f+p,k,k is either hard or impossible in open stance
so i recommend df+p+k > d+p+k > f+p,k,k to play it safe, same as taka, to sober 2DP

db+p+k foot crumple: 0DP

intruder hook: 0-1DP

> f+p,k whiffs on open stance
> f+p,k,k does 8dmg less than the max dmg combo
> only f+p,df+k seems to works consistently for trivial damage, i recommend not trying to sober

leopard strike sabaki: no changes, 1DP

b,b+k+g: 0-1DP

> d+p > f+p whiffs
> f+p,k whiffs on open stance
same as intruder hook, i recommend not trying to sober

df+k sidecrumple: 1-2DP

switch to OS combos both remove 2DP (remember to use the OS p+k,p ender after the OS d+p+k bound)
DS combos same as df+p+k, meaning stick to d+p+k > f+p,k,k for 2DP

DS wall splats: no changes, 2DP

OS

uf+p: 3-4DP

> bread and butter jab > d+p+k bound > p+k,p or df+p+k,k 3DP and 64 dmg
> p > f+k,k,p,p also does 3DP for 2dmg more
> closed d+p+k > k,p,p 4DP for 3 dmg more

f+p+k NH: 1-2DP

> p > d+p+k is techable on closed, does not combo into anything else sobering
> k,p,p 2DP 55dmg (15dmg less than the max open stance combo but only 3 dmg less than the max stance-independant combo)

df+p CH: no changes, 2 DP

> d+k,p,p for 2DP and 58 damage (NOT 64!)
> BTW i discovered that df+p CH > df,df,df+k,p,k is actually a true combo. it does 63 damage (and sobers 1DP).

p,df+p CH: 1-2 DP

> d+p > d+p+k > p+k,p sobers 2 for 68 dmg

f,f+k CH k: 2DP

> Hold F+p > d+p+k > df+p+k works from both stances for 2DP and 83 dmg.

qcf+k CH: no changes, 2-3 DP

> db+k+g > k,p,p for 3DP and 80dmg
> db+k+g > f+p+k > f,f+k,p for 2DP and 82 dmg
i recommend the first one obviously

uf+k: 1-2DP

> k,p,f,IS k > p+k,p 1DP and 86 dmg
> df+p > jab > d+p+k > p+k,p or p+k,k 2DP and 80 dmg

db+k+g: no changes (k,p,p for 2DP)

 

I messed up recently and posted a bunch of combos in the wrong thread.

Anyway, after this rather extansive testing, i'm removing some obsolete combos from the combo list. The criteria i will be using are "significantly less damage", "more compicated for less damage" or "does not work seem to work".

I will list them here for reference/contention:

> vs Taka: does not seem to work, less damage than . Replaced with .
Same starter, ->. Less damage than . Pointless.
I want to repalce > too but i'll wait to test on Jean.

(Hold ) / > ->. Same deal: less damage than , works on less characters. Pointless.

CH > . My bad, i was the one that added it as a reference, to compare with the standard combo. It clutters things up. Removed.
Same starter > ->->->. Less damage than -> , works on less characters, travels less. Very flashy combo nevertheless.

CH > Taka special. Does not work. Replaced with that does work.

> . Does less damage than , does not yield better oki, has a more difficult input. does 2 less damage, but at least has better oki.

And tested everything i could about Taka.

 

(DS) Boomerang Hook
→ →
VS. Shun - Open stance only.

(DS) Heel Kick
→ ()→
Works on everybody, both stances, up to Wolf.
→→
Works on everyone (both stances) up to Jean. Open stance only VS. Jeffrey & Wolf.

(DS) Stopping Low Combo
→→
Works on everybody, both stances, up to Wolf.
→→
Works on Jacky & Jean (both stances), Wolf in Open stance.
Does not work on Akira or Jeffrey.

(DS) Wall Splat
→→→→→
VS. Lau & Kage, Open stance only.

(OS) Pile Bunker
→→
VS. Kage Open stance only.
→→→
VS. Kage, Open stance only. ( does not bounce in Closed).
→→→
VS. Kage does not work. Closed stance doesn't bounce. Open stance last whiffs.
→→→
VS. Kage, Open stance only.

(OS) Bunker Buster
→→→
Does not combo on Vanessa.

(OS) HAWK Strike
→→→
VS. Kage, works in both stances.
→→
VS. Kage, works in both stances.

(OS) Short Upper
→
VS. Kage, works in both stances (CH only)
→→→→
VS. Kage, does not work.

(OS) Leg Bomber
→→
VS. Vanessa, works in both stances.

 

Awesome! Poor Kage

Thank you for your feedback

I'm assume that, if MakiLeSushi wrote this one down for Sarah and Vanessa, then Maki obviously tested it against Sarah and Vanessa. It might be a timing thing? I'm leaving it in for the time being.

 

It works, the only case that it won t work is on an exact fall recovery, but this is hard to succeed so the combo is efficient, that s the reason why i pu it on the combo list. (Maybe i should put that it doesn t work on exact fall recovery...). But in case of a player who does exact fall recovery, input instead of -> (works only on CH, tested on Van)

 

Oh. I don't think we are supposed to add those types of non-100%-guaranteed combos in the combo list

Aaaaanyway... this discussion is my fault. Maki had tested for Sarah and Lion, not Vanessa. I read the WRONG COLUMN. My apologies for the mixup, everything was and is fine

Now, please, can anyone test what's the deal with -> ->->-> apparently doing less damage than -> ? how is that even possible? I'd love to test that discrepancy myself but our TV is still at the workshop. I assume the 92 points of damage are for the CH; NH should be around 88 since -> -> does 86.

 

Theres been some exact recoverable combos in there with Myke's blessing

 

Record this combo and try to recover with 10 try... U ll see that it s efficient =)
About the combo u talk, i think it s about the hit combos... As u know, (for exemple) if ur 2nd hit is a P and ur 8th hit too, this won t be the same dmg... in the combo KP6K->3KK there is only heavy hits which makes good dmg and in KP6K->P->P+K->66K+G ur P and ur p+k are not heavy moves, it s little dmg, then it makes the 66k+G lose a % of dmg coz it s the last move... there was a topic about it but i can t find it

 

Don't know about a topic, but it's present on the old VF5 Vanilla Wiki : http://virtuafighter.com/wiki.old/vf5/system_part_2#damage_scaling

Maybe the formula has been a little tweaked for the Final Showdown, but the system should be similar.


Would be cool to add this on the new wiki.

 

Well, i finally have a new TV, so the first thing i did was test the damage in the dojo.

Unfortunately OS > > does 87 damage. CH damage is 100. So i don't know how the combo list ended up with 92. Fixed.

 

(back to wall) (DS) > (crumple) > > (OS)> > > 119dmg

Tested vs. Aoi

 

(back to wall) (DS) (back to wall) (DS) ,, ,(OS),, 117dmg
[CS, OS] vs. Pai, Lau, maybe others. Add stomp for +5dmg

Also if you finish the vs. Aoi combo with it's 123dmg

 

Ok, just after realising that these combos are for "Stagger recovery: Slow".

If you put the opponent on "Stagger recovery: Normal" then won't splat, but you can still get:
,+, ,
>(vs. lightweight) OS [ender]
>(vs. Jacky) [ender]

Enders being OS or

I'm sure there's more possibilities.

 

Maybe DS still wall splats on "stagger recovery: normal".

Anyway, can you get anything for "stagger recovery:fastest"? Maybe diagonally to the wall?

 

Nothing combos on "Stagger recovery: fastest", not even DS

DS , splats but doesn't give enough time to make , OS bound.

Best I've found so far is DS(wall stagger)(splat),, OS , 101dmg

The is NOT GUARANTEED on off-axis.
Also note that the timing to get to splat is really weird.


*edit* today's testing was vs. Sarah.

 

You can combo with a 16f move with Fastest Stagger Recovery if are far enough from the wall.
You can even do it with 6+P+K+G which is 19f if you are far enough.

The problem is :
- you have to jauge correctly the distance
- even if it combo, the way that the following move can hit is inconsistent, since the opponent is turning


You can easily get 107DMG by doing 44P+G, "ws"P, 2P+K, 4P+K, 6P3K, KK, if you are a ~dash distance from the wall.

 

Fixing some gaps in the Vanessa combo list.

(OS) Pile Bunker​

(vs. Lau)
, , Open Stance only, strange timing.


, , Open Stance only, doesn't bounce in Closed stance.
Can finish with anything, i.e.

>62dg
>///64dmg
​

, , , - does not combo

(OS) HAWK Strike​

(vs. Lau)
, , , connects both stances

*CORRECTION*
, , , connects from Closed Stance only!

(OS) Bunker Buster​

(vs. Lau)
, , , connects both stances

*CORRECTION*
, , , connects from Closed Stance only!

All other combos with (?) whiff.

(OS) Short Upper​

(vs. Lau)
CH , connects both stances

CH , , , last hit connects in open stance, but it's a green hit - not true combo.

(OS) Hunting Kick​

(vs. Lau)
CH , , connects both stances

 

So to note, the combos which say "Open Stance special" should really be "Closed Stance special".

 

A big thank you on behalf of every vanessa player. Implemented almost everything except

OK, i changed it, but just to be sure: did you check for normal hit AND counter hit?

Accoring to the Acebreaker Combo Notes translated thread these combos are from open stance

For the time being i'll mark it with a question mark, change the comment to "Stance specific combos - still in testing" and wait for someone to confirm your findings a second time (currently i'm unable to st up my xbox because my mother is visiting & her bed is in the living room, blocking the TV).

 

Yup, but as noted this is (OS) Bunker Buster combos vs. Lau.
He's too heavy to be kept afloat even in CH situations.

What happens is when you do / it PUTS you into Open Stance (after the floater) - I think that's the confusion.
If you start the combo FROM Open Stance, the final hit of whiffs.