VF5:FS Eileen Thread

Hey Reno, I have some info for you on changes for Eileen.
(I'm still a little unsure on my VF terminology, so if any of this seems wrong, let me know)

++ and ++ are now cancellable. +++(hit) is a low series which knocks down.

You can get the same series with +.

++ starts with a high attack and finishes with two mids.
Hitting with it will blow the opponent back and can be used in wall juggle.

++ will knock the opponent down. Can be mixed up with ++, but the version has a long guard window.

Facing backwards is a low->high->mid series. The second hit connects as a normal hit and can be cancelled from. 3rd hit will knock the opponent down. + comes out in 16 frames and the third hit causes crumple. counters low attacks, and can be used to counter delayed attacks and rush down.

Basic combos
->+->->+->+

->->+

This is from the September issue of Arcadia. Will translate her section for the October issue tomorrow.

 

Information from October issue:

advantage increased.
During a counter-hit, can't be guarded while standing.
During a counter-hit, + connects to and .

will crumple from the side on counter-hit, and connect to standing .
+ connects to and to +. Often this is connected to but + also connects.Useful for counter-attacking against low attacks.

+ connects to during a counter-hit.

+ connects to ->+ from normal hit.

For new moves, +++ and ++ should be mixed up with +, and other cancellable attacks. The former being useful against standing guard, dodging and High attacks. The latter being useful for stuffing interrupting standing attacks. Both can be used against players that use when you use +.

Do people want frame data? I could type that up too.

 

I don't remember seeing many Eileen players. Hell I saw more Blaze players than Eileen guys. Only guy I knew that mained her was Tricky. But I am curious to see what changes she has since Vanilla and R.

 

Wow, i'm curious to see what her +P+K+G strings look like. Haven't really too many FS vids of her personally.

And how exactly does/would she cancel the P+K+G? Does she just stand up faster right after she goes down?

I'm guessing on canceling P+K+G it will make her land facing the opponent vs being Back Turned?

And oh my goodness they gave her a low string from P+K+G

 

There are alotta Eileen vids on zoome.jp

 

There's one thing i don't like in eileen. I'm not an eileen player so forgive me if i don't agree with this but, she seems to have so many combos which just do a lot of damage. I mean she's a lightweight, with many tricky attack's options, that mean she's really strong. This discussion can be done with many other characters like her (sarah for example).
I mean in the past a light character with many tricks didn't do so many damage with one combo; even with the larger life bar this isn't really balanced imho. Just look jeffry: he used to be the one high risk high reward, but actually he's only risk because eileen can do the same damage if even more. And this without the risk jeffry has.

Combo a part i like the new tricks the monkey has got.

 

If people are interested in frame data, could someone point me to where the excel tables are kept? It would take some time but I could input Eileen's data.

One move that I'm having trouble figuring out when to use is +. It combos into and more, but should I be using it after a backdash? A dodge? Curious if people have experience with it.

 

I support all things that result in more information about eileen! Though I really can't get too excited about this, because in reality, we don't know if we'll get this game or not.

 

Im really interested in re-using Eileen in FS. I say this because SouthTown Arcade in SF said they are talking with sega in trying to get a FS cabinet soon. so i think i can get a decent amount of play in with her, and hopefully it'll get the community back in action too. i don't know anyone who plays VF5 in my area either so i think it'll be a good experience for me when it does come.

-Im also looking forward for the console release.

 

46K+G, PP, 214PP cancel into goku (6P+K+G stance) K+GKK actually hits if the combo travels into a wall. Although the Goku K+G kicks make it a green combo the last just frame K followup is possible even though the opponent is on the ground pretty much. Does 74dmg.

Even without the last kick it's 68 damage and it looks cool imo. I tested the tech from the opponents point of view and it's really easy unforunately. The opponent have to immediately watch for the followup low though. If he techs and don't watch out you can still get the last low kicks to knock him back down, assuming you play offline and get the just frame K.

I don't know, it might be useless online since the last kick is impossible to land on xbox live. But maybe you guys can make something from this. Goku cancels might work in other wall situations. Would love to see a legit combo with something like this.

 

I've been thinking about what to do with Eileens least used moves. To really extract her true potential I think you have to have good knowledge for all of her moves. So I thought, since her subforum is kind of quiet, that I'd compile a list of some of the moves I find I don't really know how to use and we could discuss them.

First up is + :
This is her far reaching mid kick with 25f execution and -6 on block. I think Marly told me it provides a good wallsplat and are thus useful in some combos. I saw some japanese dude use it in a game on one of my youtube subs. I can't remember the combo but it was far from his best option as other moves could easily be used to deal more damage. Maybe he anticipated a wall splat? I remember the stage as being Lion or Lei stage so that's a theory.

However, I find it doubtful to be a good poking move but I haven't tested it too much. I get quite annoyed when people back away from me and start that lame ranged game. I'm unsure how to approach from those situations. Maybe this move could be useful in those kinds of situations? Also, if you have any good combo tips with this move, please share. I will experiment on some wall combos later using this.

+
I haven't really implemented this move, it hits high and you can cancel it into a low kick. It's really safe after block but 17 frames. The range is pretty deceptive though, it hits farther than you would think (farther than + ). I like wich is one frame faster and leave you backturned. I find myself often getting CH launch off her BT launcher.

+
This seems like a really useful move. I haven't given it much love yet though. Again, if you have any tips on when to use this move please share. It has good range. I guess you could use it deceptively by doing it during a backdash on a chasing opponent. obviously I know it's used in combos.

+ +
I don't know about this one. I use it when I win rounds to make her look like a monkey.

+ +
Gives you huge advantage on many things but is hard to use. Handy if opponent likes PPP but other times I find it hard to use with prediction. Most of the time I fails and I get grabbed or punished otherwise. Do you guys use this a lot?

+ +
Do anybody know if this have any good evading properties? Seems kind of redundant now when + + and + + are available from neutral stance.

 

I wasn't sure where else to post this. I have a question regarding a command in this video. I know I've done it a couple of times on accident before, but I don't know the command for it. I even looked through Command Training multiple times and couldn't find it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZO_N2DdH0O8

It's at the 0:17 mark. I doubt I'll use it much at all, but I'd still like to know how it's done in case I get a nice setup like this, heh.