avoiding throws with crouch dashing at -6

Hey guys,

Does anyone know where I can find a video with someone doing this (preferably with frame data)? Or some more tips on how to pull this off successfully? I have watched vids and have yet to find one.

The best I can do is say executing Jeffry's elbow at the beginning of the match, there is enough space to CD out of a throw, but not duck, so great, but if I close the gap and execute the elbow then, I always get caught during CD execution.

Thanks for any help!
N

edit: ugh, sorry, move to Dojo if need be.

 

Find a move that -6 on block, go to dojo and set CPU to block then react with a throw or mid. Then all you got do is do your move that leaves you at -6 then straight after input /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif and hold the /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif.

Might take you a while to get the timing, your aiming to duck under the throw or block the mid depending on which the CPU does.

There's vids arounds somewhere i'll have a look.

EDIT: Here's a vid srider did, it's normal fuzzy not crouch dash fuzzy but it's basicaly the same thing so you should get it... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMOPScxkQfM

 

Is this what you are looking for?

 

Neko,
I know exactly what u are talking about. I am only average at crouch fuzzy at best. So from experience a can say, someone who can crouch fuzzy only moderately will sometimes go thru a streak of bad timing where you will be caught in throws, it happens. Usually the reason this happens is counterintuitive. You need to input your crouch dash later. The tendency is to want to get it in sooner, but this IMO makes it harder to be patient enough in the crouch to duck the throw and the timing on the mid G is also trickier. IMO, the sweet spot is a late input and the crouch dash startup animation will duck the throw. This is great because the timing is simple from there. Just crouch dash then block as quick as you can and wa la. That's how i try and play it anyhow. Practice in the dojo, and if it doesn't work online, don't lose confidence in yourself. It is a precision technique and sometimes lag is gonna take that precision away. Good luck.

 

^ you can buffer it, no need to input it late at all.

 

my entire point was that if you buffer it, on many moves u then have to maintain the dash longer before you press G. Conversely, if u put it in late u can immediately press guard. And if you read the original post he said he is getting thrown out of the crouch. Thus, if he were to input his crouch fuzzy late, it would solve his problem. So while there is "no need to input it late at all", the entire point was that it is possible and sometimes preferable. But don't be discouraged, keep posting.

 

I don't think you can input crouch dash fuzzy late. The timing window is very strict. Yes you may have to input G later if you buffer the crouch dash but there's no actual difference in whenabouts your pressing G in the crouch dash motion.

Also, I did read the OP. you should be able to see that by my reply right underneath it and like you said your timing is off with Fuzzy so maybe entering it late is where you and the OP are going wrong.

 

Thanks everyone for the help. Falco, that was exactly what I was looking for. Coming from a Jacky background, except for his 2_3p I did not find my self at -6 too often, but with Jeffry CD at -6 seems like a wise thing to study up on.

Thanks again.
N

 

Okay, got it my first try when trying to CD towards the opponent. Apparently CD away does not work as well for me. Funny I did not think about going in the other direction, lol.

N

Edit: Oh I see, forward CD is 6 frames, backward CD is 8 frames. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

 

Yep, in order to duck throws with crouch dash you must crouch dash FORWARDS.

And feck: it does matter when you press G. However, the actual fuzzy guard as a technique requires you to press it with certain timing. Otherwise youre risking getting hit by blocking only on reflex which is certainly feasible but it aint real fuzzy guard.

 

I just didn't understand what he meant by inputting fuzzy late, "think" and "may" should have got across that I wasn't sure /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif

Thanks for clearing that up though manji.

 

lol, who knew he was trying backdash on C.Fuzzy. That does bring an ineresting idea up. I wonder how effective it would be to make Backward crouch dash fuzzy at -4 or less a strategy. Obviously it's effectiveness would be more character dependant. But it does seem like this may be a strong option as it would have some of the strenghts of C.fuzzy, but the added benefit of putting u in a position to caused whiffed 2p's and punish : )
I'm sure i'm likeley forgeting something that would make this obsolete, but wouldn't this possible be a good strat?

 

Crouch dashing backwards at small disadv is actually a pretty decent thing to do sometimes imo. It's actually something I had made use of in my choices.

 

Doesn't look like fuzzy guard with backwards CD works, I tested it in dojo at -4 and it's a fail.

EDIT: Actually it does, just took me a while to get the timing. There doesn't seem to be much difference between doing this and normal fuzzy guard though.

You hardly move back at all, guess it's from the G cancel or maybe it's cause i'm testing against Akira and his SDE advances forward to much.

 

Not used for fuzzying.

It's good for the things that can beat fuzzy, except for low throws.

 

CD backwards takes 8 frames before you can cancel with G.

 

When using it for Fuzzy guard or just in general?

 

The same thing.

 

Well I thought you might have meant it had to have the 8 frame CD for the fuzzy guard to be succesful. Seeing as you can cancel any crouch dash much quicker than 8 frames.

 

No. Forward crouch dash takes 6 frames before you can cancel with /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif, backwards crouch dash takes as I mentioned 8 frames, hence why it's not as good to use for fuzzy guarding.

You can't cancel it with /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif any sooner, this is why you can jab someone who is -6 and attempts to fuzzy guard by doing /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif

CD both ways can be cancelled with an attack after 1 frame though.