Does playing Quest mode on Expert help your game?

I've been doing this a lot more and I think it has a little bit. I'm making me think more and not just spam the same combos over and over again. It's harder yes but it's actually more fun for me. I'm mainly just landing a few attacks and when they stop landing I start to throw them.

 

Expert difficulty in quest is great for learning the game, beats online for the most part.

 

I don't think that playing Quest mode helps your game.

Ofc it helps you to get used to the game and learn combos and strategies, but when you reached the point where you're decent at playing with human opponents, you should completely switch to Vs. mode to get better.

Quick resumé: Quest mode is good to get used to the game but to get better you need to fight against human players.

 

It's good but imo good human competition - even if it has to be online(full green ONLY) - is still obviously better.

AI always have weird exploits and never fall for disguises. So if you signal intentions for something but go for something else, how does the AI even handle or fall something like that?

 

I disagree completely. Playing quest mode on expert helps you learn the game quite well actually. The various AIs use popular attack patterns as well as staple defense for guaranteed situations, nitaku and under nitaku situations. The only real downfall is the lack of okizeme it does, inhuman reaction to moves faster than 20 frames, mainly low moves and mind games such as controlling pace and intimidation.

I feel if you can streak the top AIs in quest on expert mode without using cheap patterns, you probably understand how to play vf pretty well.

There is no substitute for real human competition but I wouldn't recommend playing online with anything less than 4 green bars if you are serious about getting good.

 

I hate the A.I.

Everytime you try to do /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif with Shun, or a Kick-cancel with any character who is capable of it, you get punished.

 

To an extent. The problem is that computer is really repetitive in the high-level stuff like throwescapes. ie. It doesnt make 'mistakes' such as missed techniques, and does repeatedly 3 throw escapes to a ETEG and so on. I found it bit boring in fact. It also never falls into 'mindgames' and plays as if its 'reading inputs' *shudder*. What Im saying is that the mindgame element is missing completely when playing on expert.

 

Theres no way to implement a mind game style into an AI as far as I know. If you want to actually learn how to play the game though, meaning not doing 2p over and over again when you have the opponent at nitaku, then it's useful. Playing online VF without an optimal connection has just as many problems as playing quest mode.

 

I agree with LA. Quest mode is really helpful to realize the fundamental of VF. But online can give you more experience which is you can't reach from quest. I suggest go through the quest completely first, and then enjoy online service~

 

Quest mode on Expert is harder then a lot of people around here I'd say.

 

Look at it this way: Recognizing moves is an important part of VF. Take Vanessa's flying, full-spinning, stagger-on-block Tornado Kick. This move can only really be beaten by ducking under it. The problem is a lot of new VF players don't have that sort of reaction because they haven't seen the move enough to recognize the startup. The more you play the game, the more moves you'll recognize during their startup. The earlier you recognize it, the sooner you'll react to it.

In that sense, playing the computer is a wonderful tool when learning VF. Just pay attention.

However, once you get decent reactions, then you need to work on Yomi (reading the opponent), and for that you need a human. Simple as that.

 

Yes I concur wholeheartedly White Worm. As an utter noob player with no skills and little practise I have begun to analyse exactly what mistakes are costing me sweet victory and a key element that is repeatedly rearing it's ugly, orphan-like unloved head is me not being able to block certain moves and combos effectively. This is because I can't see them coming and don't know when to release the block button in order to launch a quick counter attack. Sometimes I can frequently miss the window of opportunity to launch a counter attack and the opponent continues onto their next devastating combo.

Also, not knowing what sequence of hits a combo is going to have e.g high, high, mid, low. I'll stand there blocking and waiting and suddenly I'm on the floor as I didn't know to block lower after the first two parts of the opponents combo.

 

If you want to simply practice your VF skills, just do these two things:
1)Go through Dojo mode or buy the Game guide. Dojo mode allows to practice every single move, combo, etc. The game guide will teach you just about everything you need to know about VF5 (you can also use the info on this site).
2)Play Arcade Mode (Normal), repeatedly. Set the difficulty on Normal and when it becomes too easy, raise the difficulty and continue doing this until you reach the highest difficulty (Very Hard). And don't forget to set the round count to 3 and have default health settings. Honestly, the only real reason for going through quest mode is to acquire every little emblem and every little costume piece for every individual character. Neither is necessary for improving your game. Plus, Arcade mode is a lot shorter than Quest mode. What would be better is for VF5 to let players play versus matches against the computer the way Super Smash Bros Brawl, Soul Calibur IV, and Street Fighter IV do it, because to tell you the truth, points do not matter in a game like this.

However, don't get too attached to the computer. Like most people have been saying, eventually, you have to take on everyone else. After all, this is a game strictly about competition.

 

IMO I reckon any kind of practise/anything to refine your game is helpful no matter what.
Whether it's against the computer or Human players, whatever is more comfortable to players, you should do at your own pace and leisure.

 

quest mode ais vary alot more than arcade mode so you are not gonna get as good of an experience playing just arcade mode. EVERY AI in quest mode has an individual style so how could arcade mode be more useful with just one style?

For example, if you fight the jacky AI "JB Party" in quest mode, you'll notice he likes to attack with 6pp,p+k and 6pp2k strings. This basically teaches you to watch stance as both variations of the 3rd hit can be evaded only by going towards jackys back and not his stomach. After either version of the third hit (high or low) is evaded correctly, you can get a guaranteed launcher. The Arcade mode doesn't teach anything like this.

There are many AIs that were purposely put in the game to teach you certain counters and its a shame that not too many people realize this.

 

Often I go through arcade mode on very hard to warm up or just to have a quick bash, and the AI is pretty tough.
But as L_A said, Quest mode AI is more Varied. what i find with arcade mode AI is usually the same level/style of play. safe moves, canned combos and lots of throws to punish.

Also if you're interested in collecting items/achievements, there's that extra incentive to play harder (item battles, tournaments etc etc) which you don't really get with arcade mode.

 

One more thing as a general warning about Quest mode to new players: Don't think you can get away with all the OMP's and OMK's that the computer does at high levels. This is the one aspect of Quest where it might do more harm than good.

For instance: You may see comp players doing OMP, OMP, throw. They're "reading" your controller most of the time for this to work. OM's have very specific circumstances where they work, so don't try to learn this from the computer. They cheat (just a bit).

That is all.

 

I find the computer can get very cheesy and/or cheap when you get to the higher levels. That's just my opinion, but I think that's true.

Remember playing the Jeffry Conqueror rank, which I think's BigFoot, went for the /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif throw three times, escaped twice, but it got seriously annoying lol

 

I can tell you that Jeffry likes to splash blond boys.

 

lmao!