Eileen Questions

What r her moves that dont throw clash?

how to apply,
B P+K+G... is there nething guaranteed after that?
7 P, anyone know how to apply this?
Using BB P, when?
I have been told by Jeneric that u can shoulder ram to evade MIDS/highs, basically it should evade all moves at a small disadv except moves that dont swipe the ground like knees. Does neone know the exact DISADV i can do this to evade mids?Neways, i have been trying to say PPP, G cancel into shoulder ram, or 6 P, G Cancel into shoulder ram.. I noticed that it works, however the timing is very strict.. I feel its easier with the G cancel. Neways, i wanted to know ppl's opinion on how consistant it is or nething else they know about shoulder ram.

 

Moves that don't throw clash:

off the top of my head

9K+G
9P (I'm pretty sure any move your considered aireborne is not clashable)
4K+G (pretty sure on this one too)

Honestly I use 9K+G if I expect a throw and want to abare out the situation.

2_3P+K is highly evasive, I recommend looking at eileen's wiki stragegy section, I wrote up a few strats which touch on some of your questions. The exact disadvantage you need to be at before you can't evade the move varies A LOT based on what move you're talking about evading. It's one of those things you kind of pick up on from using it in a lot of different situations (the move still surprises me).

An example that comes to mind is after PP_6P you're at +1 frame, and you can use 2_3P+K to hop under 2P's and most other mid attacks that aren't ground scraping. Now if you are at negative frames i.e. -5 and you try and 2_3P+K you'll get hit by a 2P i.e. after 6P.

So what have we learned? Well the 2_3P+K is evasive to low attacks on it's 13th frame, it's an 18 frame move (2P is 12 frames for most characters expect lion, but this works on him too so we can say the 13th and 14th frames of 2_3P+K is evasive to 2P's)

It would actually be nice to know which frames shoulder ram beats what type of attacks.

Hope this helps a bit.

 

ill test out the shoulder ram and see what i find.
the best ones to test are 2p, MID punches, 16 frame mid kicks. Ill start off with that initially and work my way up later when i develope a better eileen.

TRICKY, i read evrything on ur BLOG, printed and highlighted some stuff. Ive learnt alot from ur blog. I have to read the wiki again, but i dunt remember it being too specific on when i can shoulder, but ill look again. Neways, tricky, i have evaded an elbow at minus 5 and 2p at minus 5, however the timing is strict. Its too hard without the G cancel, and buffering it can be tricky.. but ill get it down to a muscle memory eventually.

Marly are u gonna be on later? u mind showing me some stuff with eileen. btw much appreciated on showing me some stuff with Vanessa. My Van is looking ok now. b4 fighting her was so difficult, but now i see whats coming.

 

forgot to ask, can u tell me her wall combos thanks.

 

I also have an Eileen question: HOW THE FOCK DO I BEAT HER?!

 

You'd be wrong, what matters is WHEN they are airborne. They have to be when the throw goes active.

 

Ok that's what I thought (why I use 9K+G mostly since you're considered aireborne from the start)

Check the vid 4:40 http://www.youtube.com/user/viper28087#p/u/49/fiMVRdSnV50

It's more than just wall combos, but if you want to just get to the good stuff skip to near the end of the vid, that's where I do high wall combos and mid wall combos. That was really I was able to find (most dmging anyway). Wasn't really thinking about oki when I made the video so maybe there are some combos off the wall that would give you great oki options, dunno [probably].

 

TY, after work ill watch vid. BTW tricky ur on my friends list but u never play. ne chance i can get some games, and play ur eileen. I want to watch how u play and learn.. how to play and how to fight it with goh

 

Yeah sure I could do some tonight (eastern) just long as it's before animation domination starts on fox lol. I friggin love that shit.

I don't play online VF all that much cuz it takes waaaaay too long to find a match worth playing, couple that with my not doing all that well in lag situations equals me not being online that much.

However I do like playing individuals for sessions. I just don't do PUG's on VF online anymore.

 

thnks guys for all ur input.
Tricky, I have a question for u. I read ur blog now twice, i have learnt alot from it. You mentioned the flow chart 6P=K into 236 KK... Is that guaranteed on CH only? does it also work on NH?

 

im back to studying eileen again.. i was reading the arcadia by HANABI, i have a question about this line he has.

"The *fP+KPP on guard will allow the opponent to retaliate with an upper class move, but if you don't make it obvious and use cancels on the second hit you can keep using it. *******There is risk, but if you hit anything more than the opponent's *dP on counter hit, you can go for the below combos."****

the last sentence... does he mean, if u do 6P+K, P, G CANCEL at disadvantage, my next 6p+K/6p/2p will crush highs thus creating a CH launch?? sorry it doesnt make sense how this works to me

examples...

1. Counter hit *fP+KPP fP+KP ddffKK or stop string and go for 214K for distance (OPEN:VANESSA)

2. Counter hit *fP+KPP fPPdK
(ANY: EILEEN/AOI CLOSED: KAGE/GOH/PAI <REQUIRES 1fr delay on 6p> )

3. Counter hit *fP+KPP dP PPfP
(ANY:HEAVY <SARAH: use BK ender)

4. EVERYONE ELSE use
CH 6P+K,P - 2p - into okizeme:
VS TECH ROLL 236 P+K- 3K <OR 2K>. 3K ender will beat foes who TECH and abare into butt stun. PERHAPS beats Foes who sidestep after tech as well.

Oki: 236 P+K-P+G
VS. FOE Who wake up and Sidestep/STAND G without TECHs
Or even better : If the opponent does not tech roll and you stop it at *236P+K it is low risk. If the opponent sees the *236P+K and attempts a rising attack, OM K will cause a side crumple stun.


plz disregard my side notes.

 

ahhhhh. now that u explain it, i feel so dumb... they were talking about all 3 hits, thanks for clearing that up for me.

 

What Hanabi wrote was kind of weird, cause on counterhit the float should be unaffected by whether or not they were crouching. This is vanilla VF5 yes? I should maybe check this out.