Evo Pai b, f + PG & f, b + PG follow ups

Anyone got anything good? Is anything even guaranteed?

 

DSK is guaranteed after , you need to input asap.

Nothing is guaranteed after , but if you get a heavy wall hit after the throw, , --> pounce is guaranteed.

 

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DSK is guaranteed after , you need to input asap.


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What does mean "asap".
Sorry if this question is stupid but I'm a newcomer and I'm not american.

 

As Soon As Possible /versus/images/graemlins/smile.gif

 

Thank you HIGHplanzdrifter

But I have a question about the d/f+P+G and th b,f+P+G, in VF4evo (version A on PS2)

I think after the throw I enter the u/f+K,K as soon as possible but when I am in the free training and I configure the CPU to guard, I can't hit him!!
When (in free training) I register a sequence with the combo b/f+P+G >> u/f+K,K, when I replay it, I just press guard and I can guard!!
But when I play in quest mode, I can't guard the u/f+K,K!!

So my question is:
the problem is when I play Pai I enter the u/f+K,K (to slowly?), or when I play against a Pai and I guess Pai will u/f+K,K after d/f+P+G (or after b,f+P+G)?
What must I do to be able to guard it?

 

you didn't enter the command fast enough that's all. After + or + should be guaranteed and there's nothing you can do to guard it.. unless of course the person executing it does it too slowly, as you have found out. Just trying holding and mash as fast as you can if that helps.

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I meant to mention that a non-guaranteed but tasty followup to f,b+P+G is llany's idea of P-->throw. It becomes a punch into back throw. From the back throw, a simple K,P,K combo is guaranteed and damaging.

I guess the way to get out of this is to attack.

 

if your quick enough alot of the time your gauranted a throw after ++, usually i follow up with ,
++ and most of the time i get it. Or wait a sec to see the opponents reaction such as the might try to block or crouch to get back into postion.

 

Thank you.
Is it the same with the f,d+P+G and the f,b+P+G and b,f+P+G?

I already tryed a lot of time to enter the u/f+K,K by first hold the u/f then press plenty of times en very quickly the K button but it does not works. Is it because I have to press K button only one time (like for a perfect TR/QR for example) ?

 

Well, thank you for your help because now I can enter the u/f+K,K after the d/f+P+G or f,d+P+G or f,b+P+G enough quick to hit even guarding defender. /versus/images/graemlins/smile.gif /versus/images/graemlins/smile.gif
But I have a new question: sometime the u/f+K,K cause 41 damage, sometime only 25. Why and how to perform the 41 damage?

 

I think if you see the larger damage, it's because you did it fast enough to prevent the opponent from guarding... and if you do it a little too slow, they don't add the tiny damage from the throw to the 25 damage from uf+K,K.

Just a guess.

 

The damage is stance dependent.

Btw, is not guaranteed after , a low throw is.

 

I never knew that the damage was stance dependant.... I just assumed it was, as most things, higher damage on counter.

Thanks for the explanation.
Cuz

 

You mean it is stance dependent to do the 41pts damage after the mentioned throws?

 

In open stance, you can delay(maximum delay) the second kick in to get 41 points of damage. The second kick should hit twice for 10 and 16pts of damage, so total damage is 15+10+16=41. You will always get 25pts in closed stance, no matter how you delay the second kick.

No sure if this affects the damage after or . AFAIK, should always hit 3 times(1+2) from the back unless the opponent is crouching or something.

 

After a throw, doesn't your stance in relation to the opponent's always line up a certain way?

Maybe it's something else..

 

That's wat I tot too.

 

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But I have a question about the d/f+P+G and th b,f+P+G, in VF4evo (version A on PS2)

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Just a quick note, PS2 version is version B...

 

Thank you for your explainations!

 

If you input , too fast (while Pai is high in the air) it's not guaranteed. Input last just when she touches ground. And [FS] is guaranteed when opponent tries to turn with , , , or . I can't get proper timing agains (I'am not sure if it's possible).