Extended Command lists with frame analysis & extra

http://vfcmd.ath.cx

I've added a lot of stuff, it's still a bit messy though. Since it is really a lot of work that can't be helped.
I made a legend hope it helps understand the lists. If you have any questions, suggestions, bugs you found reply!

Also since this is really a big pile of work, it would be nice if you guys could help out. Even if it is just some small stuff.

 

a) Why did you choose the same layout as VFdc? Why sort them by input again? It's a theoretical question, i personally refer sorting them by height & speed but if there's a reason behind leaving the same order i'll fold.

b) The left column uses /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif and /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif the others don't /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/frown.gif

c) As far as vanessa is concerned, The use/followup columns need some work (backwalk as an option after some blocked DS moves like /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif or /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif, DS /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/db.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif is also anti-high, OS /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/uf.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif is not anti-low since it hits high, OS /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif is -5 on block so there's no need to ETEG simple fuzzy will do fine e.t.c. )

d) Since you detailed her options after OS /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/db.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif you can remove the "Continue with sequence /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif" sequence

e) There's an OS catch throw in her DS movelist: right after /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif shadow slicer there's /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif fake lancer

 

That's really interesting project, though quite a bit chaotic yet.

But I think I may be able to help you out with Goh Hinogami's extended list.

 

Re: Extended Command lists with frame analysis & e

@erdraug

a) I liked the VFDC command list but always thought there was too much missing so I've started adding the stuff. Also when I copied the pages the sorting function got lost. Since I've just started learning programming, It'll take some time to fix it, or someone needs to help me out.

b)Yea I know its too much to replace the written stuff with the pictures by hand. I'm currently learning C++ I'll write a software to convert the text into the picture form. Also writing it was a lot faster then copy & paste the pictures and since it always needs to get changed the pictures were just too much work.

c) Good to know I'll add it to the D.M.

d) changed

e)fixed

- Could you perhaps tell me all moves where walking back works well.

 

Re: Extended Command lists with frame analysis & e

@Leonard_McCoy

Thx a lot and I really appriciate your help.

Well it's in work so I can't help it beeing messy. I'll clear it up bit by bit.

- Tell me if you are changing the list itself then I'll stop editing it till I get your version.

 

Re: Extended Command lists with frame analysis & e

Yes, that is my intention for the lists. It can be used to learn a char. It can also be used to get to know how a char works.
Most of the moves are safe. Of course any move can be used as follow up depending on what the opponent does, but that much information would be impossible to capture ^-^

I'm not perfect with every char, I don't know everything. So I hope everyone will help out to complete the lists as much as possible. Also by pre analysing the chars ppl won't need to spend so many hours analysing them.

 

Re: Extended Command lists with frame analysis & e

Hmm I thought the lists would be a bit more popular. Well I'll finish every char to 50% and then stop updating them myself. Too much work if only 5 ppl use them.

 

Re: Extended Command lists with frame analysis & e

I'm still on it for Goh. I just finished the PDF version (w/ colored columns for better accessibility and printability, etc) of Goh's Command List from VFDC for my Goh Blog.

Creating an extended list for a character offering possible follow-up options after a move hits, counter-hits or is blocked may be very subjective, but can still help the one or other player gaining new, possible ideas of how to respond in an effective way.

 

Re: Extended Command lists with frame analysis & e

Seems like an interesting idea, but I haven't even seen them yet. For some reason, my comp refuses to display your webpage, mystd.

 

Re: Extended Command lists with frame analysis & e

The problem that I have with these lists is that they are not printable. In fact, the extended lists are so huge that you can only view them online with a minimal resolution of 1280*X.

The extended parts of the list should be handled separately. If you can't print them out then it's hard to study them.
As well, the main command list is already available here on VFDC. No need for naming it all again.

Apart from that the formatting is still so messed up (especially the tables underneath the command list) that it's really not usable, and readable.

 

Re: Extended Command lists with frame analysis & e

I actually think these are pretty cool. Thanks, MystD.

 

Re: Extended Command lists with frame analysis & e

Wow. This is a big project. I've sorta thought about this too and imagined how much effort it would take. Thanks for taking the initiative. I'll be using it and give you some imput in the future.

 

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About it not beeing printable: ever tried to print it wide?
I could cut out some stuff, but that would also lessen the information it provides. The stuff under the list is mostly just workspace stuff I gathered to add it to the list. I've always wanted to separate it after the list for a char is finished.

Oh well if you keep up giving me some feedback and post some stuff, I'll keep updating them. But I won't work on them as excessively as before.

 

Re: Extended Command lists with frame analysis & e

Yes. But the width of the table is so huge that it spans an aweful lot of pages (when selecting landscape).

 

Re: Extended Command lists with frame analysis & e

If you have a laptop i'd just use that it nor being printable is a minor annoyance. maybe having a printable version with less data?

Great list it'll make learning my alts and the rest of the cast much easier.

 

Re: Extended Command lists with frame analysis & e

Added Extended only & cut out the bottom stuff. First only for Akira as a test. Take a look at it & tell me if it's ok like that.

 

Re: Extended Command lists with frame analysis & e

I just noticed that you are using the Version B Command Lists. Why?

 

Re: Extended Command lists with frame analysis & e

Because I started making the extended lists when there was no ver. C. I updated them to C, so it's just the layout.

 

Re: Extended Command lists with frame analysis & e

I'm no expert but Akira's list is still Version B though from what I can see.