Final Showdown Aerial hit effects

Some discussion on the shoutbox as to what certain (unnamed) hit effects should be called.

We have sort of the the time being decided on Big Bounce for the newly animated effect of bounce moves that return aerial character to their feet (rather than the air, as with VF5) but leave them in a combo-able state and Small Bounce for moves that ground the opponent (looks like a slam), but leave the opponent in a combo-able state.

What do people think? I believe it's a good idea to normalise terms and be clear on what should be put into any notes in frame data and such. Otherwise things can get confusing.

 

What about moves like Wolf's new chop and Akira's 214P? They can't all be bounds. Wolf's 9P+K was a bounce in Vanilla. Why call it and moves like it bound rather than the moves with the new effect?

Slams and Flops aren't on Aerial (floating) opponents so let's leave them out for the time being.

 

I agree they shouldn't be called the same thing. The effect from Akira's 43P is known as bound in Tekken. 214P looks pretty different and more like a bounce to me.

The general consensus on the shoutbox was that having too many terms floating about could get confusing so one or the other should be chosen with an additional adjective to seperate the two effects. Or we could just give them 2 different names.

 

Marly, good initiative with the thread!

Libertine, on Page 21 of the Masters Guide are the official terms for the Hit Effects:

• ukase (floating) bound (aka flop): An untechable knockdown that floats the opponent into the air before landing on their back, with legs folding back over head. This hit effect allows enough time for the attacker to OM in order to continue with the combo, and when performed against a wall, produces a combo opportunity against the wall. e.g. Jacky's Smash Upper ().
• bound (aka bounce): A new animation where an airborne character is hit hard into the ground and momentarily return to their feet before falling back down. This is the same "effect" as what we'd previously call a "bounce", just animated differently. Note, however, that this has always been officially referred to as a "bound" even when it used to bounce the opponent, so my vote is to call this a bound. e.g. Sarah's Crescent Heel ().
• fukitobashi (aka slam): A fast, untechable knockdown that allows for a combo opportunity. e.g. Akira's against a standing opponent. Note that some attacks have a "slam" effect against an airborne opponent.

On Page 22 of the Masters Guide, under the section of Aerial Combos, the terms Big Bound, Small Bound and Hatakitsuke are introduced:

• Big Bound is the same effect as Bound. e.g. Jacky's against an airborne opponent.
• Small Bound is the same effect as Slam. e.g. Akira's against an airborne opponent.
• Hatakitsuke (smack/beat down) is, from what I gather, an untechable knockdown that does not provide combo followup. At best, I think it guarantees a down attack. e.g. Lau's against an airborne opponent.

So, having said all that, when referring to Hit Effects my preference would be to continue using the terms Flop, Bound and Slam and Beat down (or Smack down?)

Reno, noodalls, or anyone else with a better grasp of Japanese feel free to chime in on the translations!