"How Deep is to Deep?" an article on VF5 vs. DOA4 that i found

im not sure if anyone here has caught up on this yet. but i just surf around the net and found this article from DOA Central website regarding some comments made about the DOA franchise by Sega of America.

http://www.doacentral.com/NewsContent.aspx?aid=849

im pretty new at this, and have yet to play DOA, but i though that the beef was between tekken and DOA.

 

i've read some comment on their furom, and it pretty tick me off. of course the usual argument is that VF is stiff and "fake" movement. its so ironic bc when i first saw my friend play DOA4 (i didnt get a chance to play), i saw that the movement is very "un-martial art". it was just hands and feet moving around unrealistically.

 

The guy obviously has no idea what he's talking about.

It's not only how deep a game is, but how balanced it is. At one point, he says something like if a game would release where every characters has 10, 000 different moves and options in every situation (which we'll assume that every character still maintains their uniqueness in fighting style somehow), that game would would most definitely be better than VF if, and only if, it was balanced.

That's a key point. If the game offered that many options for each character and was as balanced as VF, it would obviously be better (also assuming that a good percentage of that 10, 000 options would actually be good and useful). Of course, no one would ever actually master the character, but all the different players around the world would have their own unique style of play when they choose a specific character. That's what is so great about VF, players can really be unique when they choose

Anyways, I'm stuck at school now, but if I get the chance later, I'll expand my response to the article. This was just my gut reaction to the article.

Peace!

 

Who's dhalsim? Does he play vf? Who cares what he has to say? All he knows is DOA. VF is just deep enough for a 3D fighter. He doesn't understand that it's not just that vf has many more options, but it has a few more options, but varying sub-options under those.

I'm sorry but VF isn't "too deep" for it's own good. Everything simply works as it should.

Also those guys saying it looks bad or whatever are most likely scrubs in doa as well if they care about that...hell, they probably don't even understand doa to it's fullest.

 

Bad press is good press anyways no?

 

That stuff is nothing compared Itagaki's previous comments about Tekken. The DOA players' response is quite entertaining and somewhat ironic.

Who cares anyway? As long as DOA5 has a cybersex mode, Team Ninja will have my money.

 

I did read the critics itagaki made about tekken. he should check the sale number between tekken and DOA before he made those comment.

im just curious, In the past, has there any DOA game that was played at Evolution?

 

For me you can get DOA and Tekken wrap them together and throw in a Trash can.

But the discussions at those foruns are really funny /versus/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

 

agree

 

i search through the DOA forum and its so ironic that even verteran members in DOA Central admits that VF is better than DOA. Another funny thing about that community is that THERE IS NO SECTION ON DOA4!?

i still dont get it, is DOA more popular than VF in the west? i though taht only tekken and SC are more popular than VF in the 3D realm.

 

Whats really funny are those rabid DOA fanboys posting some crappy youtube videos of VF 5 trying to make it look bad hahahahah.

In Japan people are pretty wild for VF(I think) but in the US the reaction is not so good.

But VF 4 had a pretty good audience in the U.S it even became a greatest hit title so I hope that VF 5 gets even more attention.

 

yeah....i recognized those vids as the very early test vids. so it was very shady of them to post to vids instead of the more exiting ones.

 

Re: "How Deep is too Deep?" an article on VF5 vs. DOA4 that i found

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Myke said:

If you're going to quote the title of the article, you might want to try:

"VF vs DoA? How deep is deep enough?"

If you're going to paraphrase the quote, at least spell it right (too not to).


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wow.......thanks for the grammar lesson mr.english teacher. Myke if you dont like my grammatically incorrect title, which other people who responded to didn't seem to mind, then just delete the whole damn thread.

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Myke said:
Yes, I'm having a bad day and feeling shitty, BUT ANYWAY, the point is if you're going to refer to what someone has said, get it right! It looks bad when you don't and any arguments you may put forward carry less weight.


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sorry, but this is where you lost me. i just simply post the link and ask for other people what they think.......just what arguments are you talking about?????

 

Re: "How Deep is too Deep?" an article on VF5 vs. DOA4 that i found

mykes definately had a shitty day, ive seen stranger things slide . . .

 

Re: "How Deep is too Deep?" an article on VF5 vs. DOA4 that i found

This is a better topic. Morris doesn't really play fighting games competitively.

http://www.doacentral.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=10795

You guys can add your input to me and vpai's argument.

 

Yeah man STIRRING UP SHIT BETWEEN MESSAGEBOARDS IS TOTALLY AWESOME!!!!! LET'S FLAME THE EVERLIVING SHIT OUT OF THOSE DOA FUCKERS!!!!!! THAT'LL LEARN THEM!!!!!

Please. This topic was completely unneccessary and reeks of trollbait.

In all seriousness, though, it's pretty hilarious considering how close AM2 was with Team Ninja was back (and how close they continue to be - Itagaki and Kataoka are buddies).

 

Re: "How Deep is too Deep?" an article on VF5 vs. DOA4 that i found

It's really depressing to see you arguing with virtuapai, laying out a bunch of points that are hard to argue against, and he either comes up with some parallel that DOA has (that isn't nearly as relevant to DOA as it is to VF), or completely dismisses the arguement.

For example when you were talking about how VF4 evolved by finding new things, he rebutts with some system mechanics stuff that he found in DOA4 that really should've been explained in a manual or the training mode. Like he said he found that lei fang has some throw where you can get a free attack of 13~14 frames. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that like me saying I "discovered" you can get 16 frame moves off of Kage's 6p+g?

You talk about how backdashing is much less effective in DOA than it is in VF, and he just says "well I saw THESE guys do it a couple times so it's not!". You know I've seen a Q player beat down a Ken player, but that doesn't mean Q is better than Ken.

Then the real kicker, he refers to Shang's thread about Wolf sucking. Here's a little known fact: Shang doesn't actually think Wolf sucks! He thinks he is fine, he just trolls online because he's bored and it's fun to him.

Anyway arguing with virtuapai is useless. He is convinced DOA can do no wrong, and that just makes DOA's competitive community seem less respectable.

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EXM said:
You guys can add your input to me and vpai's argument.

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Zero-chan said:
LET'S FLAME THE EVERLIVING SHIT OUT OF THOSE DOA FUCKERS!!!!!! THAT'LL LEARN THEM!!!!!

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Hmm.

 

Re: "How Deep is too Deep?" an article on VF5 vs. DOA4 that i found

Great posts guys. It depresses me that the community of fighting game fans is shrinking by the day...and people STILL flame pointlessly about each other's games.

 

Re: "How Deep is too Deep?" an article on VF5 vs. DOA4 that i found

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ice-9 said:

Great posts guys. It depresses me that the community of fighting game fans is shrinking by the day...and people STILL flame pointlessly about each other's games.

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Yup.