How do I become a less idiotic crouch-dash user?

Discussion in 'Dojo' started by Pinkgirl, Oct 21, 2001.

  1. Pinkgirl

    Pinkgirl Well-Known Member

    I'm told crouch-dashing in VF4 is much easier, and yes it is, cos I sometimes don't even get the directions correct yet it still comes out, but I wanna ask:

    1) How do I take full advantage of being able to crouch-dash?

    2) Why is it that, sometimes from a crouching position and I try to do Pai's lift move (from crouching = f + p), it ends up becoming Pai's d + p, otherwise it becomes just a normal punch?!

    Is my left hand really that idiotic?!?! *gasp* :p

    Also, the directions for crouch-dashing are supposed to be diagonal, down, diagonal right? But my fingers just can't get accustomed to doing this, and I find it rather unbelievable that not only can some people crouch-dash, they can also find enough time to buffer in the crouch-dash after doing a move so that they can immediately do a move-which-requires-crouch-dash again! How must the fingers work???

    I have a pretty slow set of hands and would appreciate as much help as I can get on mastering crouch-dash, as well as answers to why I can't get the d + p out (well, very seldom) even from crouching pos. What am I doing wrong?

    How can I seamlessly execute the moves while crouch-dashing, and how can I make my fingers move faster so I can crouch-dash as and when I like? Is there any "shortcut" joystick movement to crouch-dashing also? Or do I have to go diagonal, down, diagonal EACH TIME I wanna crouch-dash? What abt if you're _already_ crouching? Must you do it again? Or can you just continue holding the joystick down and move?

    HELP!

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  2. SummAh

    SummAh Well-Known Member

    Well...I do CD the old skool way...
    a simple d/f, D/F...just tap it real quick..on hold down to ur second command~

    I find the method u listed a ' spazzo' method...
    A) I cannot do it
    B) I spaz when I do it

    But I do know people who KS in that manner...so to each its own.

    Being able to CD is great. Depending on who u are using..moves like Akira's single palm, shoulder ram...can be executed really quickly.

    It's better to use multiple CDs to get closer to ur opponent
    A) It's safer to just run towards them..cause CDs can help to avoid high K n P
    B) after a CD, u can interupt opponent's move ( example, pai's f p after a CD) it can either stop their attack, cause them to stagger...or BONUS..Mc them...then go for the additional combo~~~

    All I can say is..if u wanted the CD, f p to come out n got d p instead, it's because u executed the move wrongly~

    Let's take this one step at a time...I'm gonna assume u do CD by taping the stick...diagonal, down, diagonal right...

    I would say u did not
    A) hold diagonal right long enuff..thus it becomes a normal punch
    B) Actually did not tap diagonal right on the second time at all. Instead, U tapped down n pressed P immediately. This can of errors can n WILL happen to anyone...
    C) There is no C ( ack...I'm on a assignment break..my brain is recovering from all the text book info)

    But in all honesty...I really do think the bane of ur problem is wrong command execution.


    And to help me to help u,

    <<<I have a pretty slow set of hands and would appreciate as much help as I can get on mastering crouch-dash, as well as answers to why I can't get the d p out (well, very seldom) even from crouching pos. What am I doing wrong?>>>

    U meant U cannot execute the f p right??? not u cannot execute the d p right?? If I read it wrongly...exactly whose d p did u want?

    CD in 4 is REALLY easy...slow hands can make it work with no sweat...just tap d/f, D/F...hold on to D/F on the second time...

    Reply if u need any further help~

    God...I actually am starting to like contributing to technical threads~! /versus/images/icons/shocked.gif

    * Goes back to Assignment*

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  3. Myke

    Myke Administrator Staff Member Content Manager Kage

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    Crouch Dashing

    The 'official' way to Crouch Dash (CD) forward is df, DF. To CD backwards it would be db, DB. (Uppercase indicates a hold in direction).

    Now the longer you hold the last input, the longer the CD will be. To perform fast From Crouching (FC) moves, you enter the final command as soon as the CD is initiated. The first hurdle is to consistently enter the CD input. The second hurdle is to recognise when the CD has started. When you overcome these two hurdles, you'll be performing fast FC moves, aka, modified moves (m-moves).

    Other ways of CDing are:

    - df, d, DF
    - f, d, DF
    - FC, df, d, DF

    An easy way to think about CDing whilst you are already crouching is to think of it as a regular dash input -- forward, neutral, forward -- except the entire input sequence is offset down. That is -- downfoward, down, downforward. So you're merely double tapping in the direction you want to dash in, just as you would for a regular dash, except the joystick is always held down.


    To answer your specific questions:

    1) How do I take full advantage of being able to crouch-dash?

    It really depends on the character you're playing. Do they have decent FC attacks? If so, then CDing will help you perform them much faster.

    2) Why is it that, sometimes from a crouching position and I try to do Pai's lift move (from crouching = f p), it ends up becoming Pai's d p, otherwise it becomes just a normal punch?!

    OK, so you're trying FC, f P:

    - You'll get a d P by pressing P while you are still crouching. I know this sounds obvious, but maybe it wasn't apparent to you.
    - You'll get a normal (standing) punch by not hitting the f P properly. You probably hit P before tapping forward, or tapped forward then hit P a moment later. They must be entered together.

    The general bit of advice, which applies to anything in VF (once you know how that is), is practice, practice and more practice. Good luck.<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1>Edited by Myke on 10/21/01 10:44 AM (server time).</FONT></P>
     
  4. alantan

    alantan Well-Known Member

    Re: Crouch Dashing

    Well,

    from someone who can never do the DLC, I am happy to annouce that I can do crouch dash attacks consistently :)

    it is not that tough. just take practice. The "hard" part is not the crouch dash but the f+P. I mean to crouch dash you just have to d/f,d/f(hold). anyone with one hand can do that. It is the f motion after that which I used to have some problems with. But the best way I have found is d/f,n,d/f,roll to f+P.

    it is not that tough in VF4. VF3 was much harder..
     
  5. Robyrt

    Robyrt Well-Known Member

    Re: Crouch Dashing

    Maybe I missed this... but can you do Namco-style CDs (f,d,DF) in VF4?
     
  6. SummAh

    SummAh Well-Known Member

    Re: Crouch Dashing

    Yes.

    Scroll up to myke's reply to pinkgirl n read again~

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  7. Chanchai

    Chanchai Well-Known Member

    Re: Crouch Dashing

    I thought Namco-style CDs were f,d,df,neutral?

    -Chanchai
     
  8. ghostdog

    ghostdog Well-Known Member

    Re: Crouch Dashing

    I thought Namco-style CDs were f,d,df,neutral?

    I think it's f, neutral, d, df. Or f, n, d, DF.



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  9. Pinkgirl

    Pinkgirl Well-Known Member

    Re: Crouch Dashing

    You might be right about the wrong command entry. Thing is, I'm not sure *what* I'm doing wrong. You might have hit the nail on the head when you said I was probably entering the "front" first, followed by the "p", instead of together (hmm I didn't know the timing was that crucial), so I'm working on that now. I've managed a higher success rate since checking my hand my frequently. LOL ;-D

    Also, how do you crouch-dash towards the LEFT (i.e. when you are in 2nd player position)? Which fingers do you people use? I am having great difficulty managing the "diagonal, diagonal" towards the left. I'm not sure whether to use:

    1) my thumb, OR
    2) all four fingers, OR
    3) just the middle and ring finger

    to push the joystick (towards the diagonal-left-down position). I've tried all three methods and am comfortable with NEITHER. (Heh. My left hand's kind of a retard.) :-D

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  10. ice-9

    ice-9 Well-Known Member

    Re: Crouch Dashing

    I use the thumb and index, but that's just me! I too used to have a similar problem, and what I did back then to compensate was to change the way I crouch dash.

    Usually, I use d/f,D/F. But on the 2nd player side CDing to the left, I used D,D/F,D,D/F. This isn't the best way to do it since you'd have to crouch first (unless you buffer) but it was a nice substitute until I got the d/f,D/F motion down.
     
  11. SummAh

    SummAh Well-Known Member

    Re: Crouch Dashing

    I use all 4 fingers to tap d/f, D/F
    I used to have the same problem as well..
    Being able to KS on the one side, not on the 2p side...ah thankfully, those days long gone.

    Only advice I can give is work on the timing...it is one of the most crucial factor in VF~

    Have fun.

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