How many here have been playing VF since....

Many people have been playing Vf since the very first, and have been following the series with dedication through the rough and tumble times of segas days. I have been playing since Virtua fighter 1, I owned the saturn for Vf1and2 and of course got a DC. But when it hit the Ps2, I was totally turned off- Just look at the graphics. *yuck*

At least the dreamcast gave Vf3 an excellent conversion. The PS2 just gave the game a pathetic look, not even close to the arcade.

Anyway, SO how many people here have been playing since the beginning?


How many people have just started playing on the PS2?

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At least the dreamcast gave Vf3 an excellent conversion. The PS2 just gave the game a pathetic look, not even close to the arcade.

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I find the above quote hilarious. VF3tb was ported by a third party (Genki), had no VS option for it's Japanese release while the US version was not improved in the time before the DC launched in the states and the PAL version was not optimised and therefore unplayable by serious gamers.

On the contrary, granted, jaggies and pathetic textures are a turn off but get over that (As well as your foolish bias towards sega hardware, it's over.) and realise that not only did we have the latest version of VF but we also got a magnitude of options that in my opinion supersedes the options of VF2 in quality. The transfer of VFnet to the home was a master stroke ensuring a healthy life span to any VF enthusiast.

Then you have the standard VS option (which again incorporates VFnet), AI, Replay, and arguably the most detailed Training mode ever created, covering every factor of the game in explicit detail. And you have the gall to complain in the face of obvious innovation? I'm as critical as the next VF fanatic but I know when to appreciate a good conversion when I play one.

For the record, I observed VF1 but didn't play until VF2.

 

Since VF1 was released in the arcades, I have played no other game with an ounce of dedication. Nor has GodEater, Mr.Bungle, Kbcat to name some others.

To be perfectly honest, the home consoles of the games are what they are - but they are not in the same league as their arcade counterparts. Never have been. Fun to play, but if you expect a lot out of the home versions, you're looking to set yourself up for a fall.

To touch on your opinion of VF4, I happen to believe that VF4 PS2 is a way better port than VF3tb ever was - point being: Vegbomb, when was the last time you played VF3tb *in the arcade* ?

cheers,

 

the only game I played with any seriousness prior to VF was Mortal Kombat (don't laugh, its true) unless you count Donkey Kong Junior and Karate Champ.

Then KBCat and I hunted down VF1 during a break school break and we've been hooked ever since. I've played since the very beginning and still play the older versions if offered the chance. They are super fun. Right now there's a push on in Toronto to get all the arcade boards up and running so soon we should be high on VF fumes.

Llanfair and I had a conversation about console and arcade last night. Both of us love the arcade experience. The console experience, without the traffic of a public place, sucks in comparison. nothing drove home the lack of quality ports harder when Mr. Bungle drove all the way to Toronto with his arcade VF3TB in tow. We had a DC VF3 parked next to it so people could play all the time with minimal waiting. The DC looked like a joke. It was awful.

I love the consoles 'cos they allow me to play the VF series with minimal fuss but in the long run I'd rather get the real thing and play that. And I'd rather play it in an arcade than in my home most days. It just sucks that I have to drive out and pay per play.

GE
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I've only been playing since the middle-end of VF2's life, maybe it explains my un-vet-like satisfaction with VF4 for the PS2. The arcade screen looks a LOT richer and sharper and the colors don't look all washed out and sickly like the PS2 does. But the PS2 version really impresses me for having close-enough-to-perfect gameplay. It's the first conversion I've played that has that. Outside of some random glitches/lack of glitches, I can't point to any gameplay differences between the console and arcade. That's really, really good for those of us without an arcade scene to attend =/

Anyway it's true that the arcade experience has something the PS2 lacks... strangers. It's nice to be watched by a crowd, even if they don't get what's happening. It's also fun to play random people from time to time, IF they're not button mashers. But I can't say I've ever played random people in 4 who didn't mash. Where was I going with all this?
Oh yeah, do you guys think VF4c for the PS2 is suitably well-done for a tournament, if not for The Full Experience? I think it is.

 

here's a random glitch for you. PS2 VF4 has a problem with how it handles dodging. Apparantly, one of the sides (P1 or P2, it doesn't say which) is more lenient on giving MC dodges than the other. oops.

this info, from KBCat who has been doing some translating.

That said, I think the PS2 version is really quite nice. The graphics pale to the arcade but for Tournaments I'd say everything is spot on (i've never played an arcade C version) and ready to rock. For the full experience I'd say you need an arcade and a good bunch of people willing to show up at it.

GE

 

Any more info on this dodge glitch?
This is from a translation from a gaming mag I take it?

I have a movie from nomercy - akira DA's vs. lei fei (think it was an arrow punch?), and you hear the sound of the successful dodge attack, and it looks like it COULD have hit... but despite the sound, it fails to hit.

Oh well, it sucks, but I can't see it screwing up too many tournament matches.

Probably my favorite part of the PS2 version is the record option. It's wonderful to be able to say within five minutes whether something works or is guaranteed.

 

sorry no more info than what I already gave. I can see it being an annoyance and even an advantage that can turn the tide of a match.

I don't find it disimilar to the 1P/2P floating glitch in VF2. Enough of a difference that can affect the entire match. Likely you would never see it too much but it would be there and potentially changing the outcome.

GE
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I was living in Europe when I started with the very first Virtua Fighter then went to to Virtua Fighter 2 and became total VF fanboy. They hade VF machines in 2 places not far from my house so i was in heaven. When i moved back to the states I begged my parents for a Saturn and they wouldn't let me get one so i'd play it at my g/f's house. Then she moved away so no VF for me cuz they didn't have any VF arcade cabinets in the part of the states I moved to.

I ended up doing the thing i though i'd never do. I picked up Tekken 2, the series i hated(but never played) since they had Tekken 2 machines everywhere. I still liked VF but my love for it started to fade away very slowly. My dad bought me a VF game for the PC and i was happy until the mofo wouldn't work anymore and i gradually became a Tekken fanboy. By about '99 i had become a total Tekken Fanboy and i thought VF was trash(what a transition!).

When about Mid 2001 came around I met bare_knuckle93 at the IGN fighting game boards. He influenced me to get back into VF. So I bought VF3tb for the DC tried to pick shun back up since he was my best char in VF2 but after seeing some Akira Vids(including BK's) and people saying how hard he was to use i changed my mind and dropped shun. I said i will topple Akira. bare_knuckle93 guided me through VF's system and Akira and I with his guidance i had a basic grasp of akira by the beginning of 2002. Since then i've become a total Akira geek.

Basically i can say that i've been there since the beginning but i betrayed my "roots" and picked up Tekken. Came back in mid-late 2001 and am planning on staying here, heh. I'm kinda oldskool but not...or something /versus/images/icons/smile.gif

 

K, so I did what I usually do, tried testing it.
I can't find any discrepencies in the dodging from 1P or 2P side. My test:
Akira vs. Akira - I recorded akira's sidekick over and over because it's got an easy opening animation to recognize and I can dodge it on reflex when I see it. It also switches stance. I tried dodging it over and over from 1P side with varying degrees of timing - just as he starts the first few frames of the sidekick, just a hair before it should have hit...
Then I tried the same after unlplugging the pad and using 2P side.
My results were always the same - dodge durning the exe frames of the attack, it's a MC dodge. Any other time, it's not.

The test notwithstanding, I bet your experience tells you that dodge is pretty consistent. I wish I could get some more specific information. If it's a 1 in a 1,000 thing, or only for specific moves or specific characters, there's probably nothing to worry about. If you see WutangCat, can you ask him for any more info? Do they give an example in the mag one can recreate?

 

I hope you know adio, I stated CONVERSION, not extra features. Still the PS2 virtua fighter4 looks liked a milky washed out poor excuse for a conversion, oh yea but the special features make up for the sorry graphics. (yea right)

Oh yea and the US version of VF3 was has its share of features, or have you never played it. Also VF1 and VF2 were far better in graphics then that lousy shit ps1 could do,jittery polys. like i said before, the ps2 is a glorified ps1 with a dvd player.

Again aside from the features, show me a graphical conversion. I'm sure if ever vf4 had come to the dc the conversion would be great, remember same hardware was used in the arcade.

oh yea remember Soul Calibur, oh Dreamcast, what a conversion, beyond.

 

I hope you know adio, I stated CONVERSION, not extra features. Still the PS2 virtua fighter4 looks liked a milky washed out poor excuse for a conversion, oh yea but the special features make up for the sorry graphics. (yea right)

Oh yea and the US version of VF3 was has its share of features, or have you never played it. Also VF1 and VF2 were far better in graphics then that lousy shit ps1 could do,jittery polys. like i said before, the ps2 is a glorified ps1 with a dvd player.

Again aside from the features, show me a graphical conversion. I'm sure if ever vf4 had come to the dc the conversion would be great, remember same hardware was used in the arcade. An yea consoles aren't perfect, but the ps2 is pathetic.

oh yea remember Soul Calibur, oh Dreamcast, what a conversion, beyond.

 

im a noob, ps2 was my first vf, i want evo if it comes out on this platform! and it better...

 

I have some fond memories of playing a little VF1 and 2 in the arcades as a young lad, so when vf4 came out i decided to check it out. When I first got it i was amazed; it thought, and still think its close to perfection in a fighting game. Well I've been playing it for months with pretty much no other competition, and ive managed to rack up 6,000+ matches, propably 99% of them against the computer. I get bored of it at times, but i always some back to it even though i have noone to play, anyways if anyone plays in MN drop me a PM. VF RuLz!!!

 

The conversion itself sucked too. But then again, when you have a whole three months to convert a launch game, you can definitely expect to have problems. IIRC, the JP version of VF3tb DC had the "block shadows" problem...

IMO, PS2 VF4's conversion level in about on par, accuracy-wise, to Saturn VF2. Compared to the arcade versions they look like crap but considering the limitations of the systems involved they are pretty impressive. (Especially Saturn VF2, very few games could ever use the system the way that did.)

I dunno why AM2 slacked off in converting their prize fighting franchises to DC... FV2 has problems as well: character models look better and sharper than the arcade, but the backgrounds have been severely mauled (and some removed altogether). Sigh.

 

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IMO, PS2 VF4's conversion level in about on par, accuracy-wise, to Saturn VF2. Compared to the arcade versions they look like crap but considering the limitations of the systems involved they are pretty impressive. (Especially Saturn VF2, very few games could ever use the system the way that did.)


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I wouldn't say the convertion of VF4 is on par with VF2's, simplely because graphic is really bad, not just it's far worse than Arcade version, also worse than many PS2 games out there.(Tekken fanboy: PS2 T4 looks 5 times better than VF 4!! Me: /versus/images/icons/frown.gif )

 

Well, if I'm not mistaken, as far as 3D fighting gaming goes, before I actually got into the Tekken series, I do believe that the original Virtua Fighter was the very first 3D fighting game I had ever played. Even before I played the game, I had many strategy guides, reviews, etc. I loved the game before I even played it. Then Saturn came out. I wanted one so badly just for that game, though at the time it was first released, the price was so high and my parents weren't getting me one. Luckily, the arcade I go to had Virtua Fighter. That's where I first played it. A few years later, I actually got that Saturn when the price had lowered and they had that 3 game special if you buy one. 3 games for free with the purchase of a Saturn. What a deal. And one of those games in that package happened to be Virtua Fighter 2 /versus/images/icons/grin.gif And I still have it today. I never got a chance to play VF3tb cause I don't have a Dreamcast. However, I did think about buying a Dreamcast now just for that game since Dreamcasts are now only $49.99 if you can find one. I did buy Fighter's Megamix though. I thought it was a bit fun. And Sunday afternoon, I finally placed my order for Virtua Fighter 4. I should be getting that very very soon. /versus/images/icons/grin.gif

On another note, I've been a Tekken player for as long as I been a Virtua Fighter player. I know that you all are very familiar with the Tekken series. My question though is this: In the Tekken series, my favorite characters were Jun, Xiaoyu, Paul, Nina, King, and Lei. Knowing this, when I finally get my Virtua Fighter 4, which character do you think I should try to learn first since there are new characters in VF4? In Virtua Fighter 2 and Fighter's Megamix, I really loved using Jacky and Shun. Pai was cool too. I saw movies of Virtua Fighter 4 and that Lei Fei person looks like an awesome character to learn. What do you guys think?

 

I actually started playing with VF1 but then I saw Tekken 1 and I completely forgot about VF until VF4. Now I am a fan of both series.

 

Played em all

 

I started out playing VF2 on the PC then brought Saturn with a copy of VF2 and Sega Rally. Then came Dreamcast with a rusty conversion of VF3tb (To hell with you Genki). Now its VF4 and hopfully EVO

Speaking of VF3tb check out this CG i did of Kage in his flashy team battle costume. Its located near my name Ura_Bahn.

Kage VF3tb costume CG