How to P - P or P - K without delay

{How to do Goh's -> or -> without delay} by Nobiyuki BB

(This is those whot wat to master Goh combos.)

So you want to do a Goh combo like [bk]+->->->[df][df][f]+

You can choose to delay the second , and one of three consequences will happen.

1. The second will miss, leaving you with less damage to the opponent.

2. The second will turn into , leaving you too far from the opponent to [df][df][f]+.

3. The Second will hit as desired.

here is how I would do it:
To guarantee a ->, use instead.
To guarantee a ->, use .

Let's go over the basic motion.

In Dojo, press then repeatedly to do infinate Shoudas without the risk of comitting Tsuraneshouda. As cannot be cancelled, can be pressed before or during the hit, to cancel to upcoming (). This was proven in VF4:E, and I see no reason why it shouldn't in VF5. That can also be said for avoiding Shouda~Kasumi Goroshi ().

Now you're ready to make combos. Here are some Version C combos from the Black Book of danny13 that use ->, rewritten using , and -> as

[df]CH ->
[df]CH -> ->[df][df][f]+
[f]CH -> [df][df] -> OM ->
[bk]+ -> -> [df][df][f]+
[bk]+CH -> -> [bk][f]+[f]
[db]+ -> -> [bk][f]+[f]
[bk][f]+ -> -> [df][df][f]+

Hope I improved your game, NobiyukiBB

 

I can summarize this whole post by just saying this: from the wiki ( Guard cancelling strings)

"You can hit "G" to cancel your strings..."

but thas just me, i hate typing long posts /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif

 

This guide is especilly used where string cancel is essential to Goh combos. Some Goh players may still not get it, I'm just putting it to good use.

 

That sentence is obvious to VF fans and hardcore gamers, but newbs won't get it. NobiyukiBB took the time and effort to explain this concept in easy-to-follow detail, why not applaud that effort?

 

Indeed, good work.

 

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Which Goh player has problems to do two Shoudas? Doing Guard-Cancels makes this simple combo just harder. If this thread is supposed to help new players, they should focus on how to make the shoulder ram, that's the complicate part of the combo (for new players)

 

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doing guard cancels makes the combos easier as it gives you more time to do the next move.

and if new players have difficulty doing the shoulder ram they can finish the combo with K for 2 dmg points less. Howevere in that care they must do P>G>K to prevent PK from comming out.

ANyways I must admit i got a little chuckle out of this thread cause the OP used so many words to explain a relatively simple concept. But his intention was good so good stuff.

 

hey I appretiated t, I myself tended to stay away from combos that required more than 2 P>P's in them cuz by the 3rd P I'd had lost too many frames and i fucked the combo up akin to Akira and Kage's TFT moves. I'll try using PGP more for those kinda combos and see how it goes.

 

Is it possible to do without using to clear the buffer?

 

If your character of choice doesn't have a string that uses that combination then yeah, otherwise no.

 

Well, Goh has one.

I'm trying to figure out if normal hit will beat everything (excluding moves designed to beat MP, including 10f punches) without requiring to clear the buffer.

For example, i'm pretty sure that normal hit requires otherwise you end up with doing the punch string, but i'm not sure how the game reacts to inputs.

Can somebody confirm?

 

Thank you. How about normal hit , does that require ?

I was pretty sure i'd end up doing the string instead but now i'm starting to think i'm wrong...

 

If you're talking about for Goh then you will need to the G input to clear the buffer, because he has a P,6P canned string. Do you get the concept now as you've essentially asked the same question twice.

 

I thought his canned string was

 

I had no idea this was the goh portion of the forum. Some reason the thread name listing thing stops at Dojo and then starts a new line for Goh. Strange UI messed me up. I'm not Goh player but I wanted to respond to the system based question.

I too was surprised by erdraug's question too for the same reasons. This is one of the nuances of the system that maybe does need to be highlighted in the wiki more than it is.

For me, once I realized I could input different types of moves faster by using G buffer input clearing my gameplay sped up. There are times I wish other games a similar system for clearing buffer input.

With that said, I do find it annoying that I have to clear my buffer input to get a P, 6P attack with P, G~6P or else I get a PP attack.

 

Yeah, about that... DS vanessa doesn't have a string nor a 14f elbow so i never had to look this up. DS vane's punch > elbow string is and it's impossible to mess up. Or, as Sebo once put it Learning Vanessa first in VF will make you a bad player

So, let me get this straight: if, for example with goh, i do (or for that matter) the game will think "hey, the player must have messed up his directional input, i'll be nice and help him out" by interpreting my input as ; whereas if i input ( ) the game will think "ah, ok, he's also pressing an extra button along with the directional input so he really must be thinking of a different move" and will perform as intended?

Is that it?

Also, does that work for all inputs, even for ones without a directional input? In other words, if i do the game will still think "ah, ok, he's also pressing an extra button so he really must be thinking of a different move" and not "ah, he messed up and pressed an extra button, let me help him out by accepting the string instead"?

I'm asking about commands because i've long noticed that commands don't need an extra to clear the buffer. For example, requires a but doesn't. But i've always thought that was the case because, well, there's a in them