Okay well I think I get it...this moat thing I think was spurred by some of the posts I made. Basically those posts were just to stir competition. Today we were all sessioning and I realized something, we put in all this effort to train and to get better at the game and to make sure that we are at our best, but in order for me to even excel beyond adam or hiro whom I consider better all around players than I, I have to put in an enormus amount of effort that by this time in VF development I would see smaller jumps in skill for the effort. For instance for Jeff who is an amzing player already for him to unquestionable become a better playet than say Hiro would require endless tweaks in his gameplay, and not in hitting combos etc. because by this time he already has the accuracy and command input correct, now its a matter of developing the advanced techniques needed to beat a player who is thinking on a higher level. Heres my real breakdown of skill Beginner: Learning command input and moves lists Intermediate: Learning the guarantees Expert: eliminating your oppoenents reaction to one or two best case senarios (moves that they can do to you), developing advanced techniques that block or attack against anything they can do to you. Thats basically it. Once you hit expert to transition from expert to a better expert is a lengthy process. I dont know if it is worth it really. I think most players have stopped playing recently whichi leads me to the recent posts that i've made. Basically I think 1. Most of the players on this board who have been playing the game from the first year it came out have mastered 1 & 2. 3. The expert level is the hardest, the reason why I stress so much that NY players are good really isnt about boasting etc. Its because we continue to play so we develop the minor advances in skill that allow expert players to be expert players. Jeff is an expert player, yet for him to play really compeitively it will require him playing people his level and developing alot of techniques to deal with people at the expert level of skill. The thing is I dont know if its really worth it. I really believe that we have some good players here in NYC and we have the players that can do 10 to 1 on alot of players who are experts. I dont think practicing for Moat is really worth it, and I dont think I will be playing much more VF (VF3tb). theres nothing left for me to prove really. I think everyone knows there is a tier of great players, those who have stuck with this community for ages. Theres only one player whos stuck out as a thorn, really as a result of things Jason Cha said to me early on, not from the person himself, and that person is Jan from Denmark who plays Pai similar to myself. He believes that basic yomi is all you need. Which to some extent I believe, but he doesnt use the advanced techniques etc. If my chart above is correct then the player who has spent more time playing overall developing techniques within that level will be the better player. So with all this I bid everyone a great Moat! I dont think I will be attending since I dont think the practice involved is well worth it. I dont think anyone else is training as much. I already think we will be better than perhaps one or two players which will provide a challenge. CrewNYC My final challenge: $5000 to Jan if he comes plays and wins 51% against myself over three days of playing with all of us here in NYC. (I know this is inciting competition) He's basically the last person I want to play before I close my VF3tb playing days with a winning or losing streak in place.