In real life, what are their styles?

How come in the manual it says that Eileen, Pai, Sarah, Brad, Lau, Vanessa, Lion all say something different for their styles?

I mean, Eileen is obviously Monkey Kung Fu; Sarah is Savate; Brad is Muay Thai; Lau is Tiger; Lion is Praying Mantis.

Why couldn't they add the real name of these styles, rather than calling them Kou-ken or something else? (Or is there a real form called Kou-ken, Ensei-Ken...etc?)

 

Well, Bajiquan is Hakkyokuken in Japanese... so apply accordingly.

I would like to know what Jeffry's fighting still is. "Pancartium-whatever"... I'd say it is more like Vale Tudo or "Beat-the-shit-out-of-someone style."

I like to see another character like that in VF6.

Or maybe a midget muay tai fighter... (comes with commentary)

 

Pankration is the mother of all Martial Arts. If it wasn't for Pankration, then there wouldn't be other styles.

Well, anyway, my point to this thread is more like; Is lauchan's fighting style is really Tiger...etc?

 

False.

Almost every ancient culture had their own fighting style.

To say a Greek style lead to everything in the east (Persian Wrestling, Xing Yi to name a couple), to the fight styles of the native Americans (they had crazy grappling skills), is a bullshit statement and Greek-centric.

 

Pankration is to be recorded to be the oldest form of fighting system. Not only that, but a large majority of moves can also be seen in Kung Fu, Judo, Muay Thai and such. I've read that Pankration influenced many people India to create their form of fighting. From there, the northern and Southern parts of India, that's where they created forms that influenced other neighboring countries.

For example;
Pehlwani- closely resembles the form of wrestling that is from Europe. Which is also a technique that is used in Pankration (besides boxing).
Vajra Mushti - resembles Judo and Jujitsu.
Adithada - Resembles Muay Thai

Here's a good link that explains what I mean.
http://www.sangam.org/taraki/articles/2006/02-10_Thamizhar_Martial_Arts.php?uid=1510

There's so many Indian martial arts that resemble other forms.

If you look way back into history, the Roman Empire went out all the way into Asia and took over some large parts of India. Now, if you think about it, the Roman's could of easily influenced the Indians with Pankration to create their own style. Then from there, the Chinese, Thai and such where influenced by them to create their own style.

I mean, just look at Karate. Karate is heavily influenced by many techniques that are used in the Shaolinquan. So, think, Japanese where influenced to create their style based from a Chinese style of fighting.

Shaolinquan, created the heavy form of Luhanquan, which that influenced people to form Bajiquan, Xingyiquan and etc. Funny enough, a Luohanquan expert worked with a Baji expert and they both created a whole new style called jingangbashi.

Going into the Native American topic, Native Hawaiians are known to have a martial art that deals with grappling, joint locking, and such called kapu kuialua. Which is awfully similar to Jujitsu, that is from Japan. Now if you want to go way into further detail, there are Tribes (for example Zuni tribe) that lives in America (From Alaska, all the way to Mexico) that are, in a away, related to the Japanese. These people could of easily migrated from regions of China, to Russia, then through Alaska all the way down to South America. When that happened, they could of easily taken their culture and such with them.

 

are you greek...........

 

OMG!!! I never knew the rest of the world was too dumb to know how to kick or grapple and needed Greeks to teach them!

I just learned something!!!

Bullshit. People always devised of was to beat the shit out of others. It only makes sense the certain moves look similar: we all have the same bodies (we're hominids, duh): legs are long, hands can manipulate, knees and elbows are hard, and joints and bones snap.

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You just undermined your argument. Human migration to the New World predates the Greek civilization. Therefore Pankration can't be the "mother of all martial arts." There in no such thing.

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Here is a relevant analogy: Pyramids and Ziggurats (Meso-American Pyramids),both are in different places, different times, stemming from two very different cultures.

Did Egyptians travel across the oceans and into the future to teach the Inca and Maya?

 

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Babylonians boxed and wrestled a good 3000 years before Greece was a twinkle in anybody's eye.

And Caveman Thag's Hit-You-With-Rock style predates them.

 

Don't forget dinosaur boxing. Practiced until 65 million B.C.

 

Is your question what are the Chinese translations for the
Japanese designations?

[ I think]Some of the styles have Chinese translations, e.g (Lei Fei's, Lau's, Pai's) and might be native Chinese styles, but others Brad's Muay Thai or Wolf's wrestling are not native to China or Japan so how would you like Sega to list them?

Are you looking for the fighting description that is used
native to where the fighting style originated?

Not sure what you're asking?

 

I think part of it is that the styles on display in VF are generally not very "pure"; they're often tied more to the individual practitioner than an established martial art, and so I suspect they make up styles and attribute them to the user.

Or, in more direct terms, if Lau's a tiger-style hsing-i type, where are all the leaping, spinning kicks from? If Jeff's into Pankration, which was a mix of boxing and graeco-roman-style wrestling, where the hell'd he pick up a power bomb and a backbreaker - American pro wrestling moves that to a pretty big extent rely on a willing opponent helping you throw them? If Sarah's into savate, why can't she punch worth a damn? And where are all the TKD-style multiple-kicks-from-one-leg coming from?

Sometimes, VF does this rather elegantly. Akira's fighting style really does look like what you'd get if a Japanese karateka worked some bajiquan into his routines. What it DOESN'T look like is bajiquan alone.

All IMO, of course, but most of the characters in the VF series strike me as people who sort of cobbled together their own fighting styles from what they'd trained. Some just stay closer to the source than others.

 

Yea, you're most likely right. But the people who play this game like it for all kinds of reasons. The notion that these fighters actually have styles is appealing to some folks. Also details like the dimensions or location of their fighting stages get some people going. While not that big of a deal to me two or three of the fighters in are dojo care about such things

Anyway it would be nice if a fighter supposedly had bajiquan style that it least some of the basics in bajiquan were present or at least possible.

The sega VF site made a big deal about the styles and stages and history of the fighters for VF4 and EVO, I noticed that they did not do the same for VF5. Although some of the animations look more legitimate....

 

For me, the fighting styles in VF series just feel more natural than those in other fighting games. Makes you think: "Hey! I can do it, it's quite realistic for a game!" /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/wink.gif

I don't mean to be rude, but I just don't get this phrase on a comprehensive level /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smirk.gif What do you want to say here?

 

LOLLOLlololol, Shit you guys are CRACKING ME UP!!!!!! Lololol ha h ahahahahah hahahaha hah

 

Here's what I meant.

Let's say Sega says that fighter X has a crane style. Well its probably the case that there is very little resemblance between a crane stylist in real life and the move set of fighter X in VF.

What I'm saying is if Sega is going to associate Fighter X with crane then there should at least be a few basic moves from the crane style that are readily identifiable. Sure there's going to be a whole bunch of moves that are just a mix of all kind of !@#$. But there should be a few that have been genuinely motion captured. That few should probably be some of the most fundamental or recognizable moves from that style.

 

anybody who thinks that 90% of the classical crap in martial arts as portrayed in a video game would be worth a damn is high on crack.

 

Akira's fighting style would own anyone in real life, just how hard he stomps on the ground would be enough to scare anyone.

 

Okay, let me ask this.

In real life, what are Paichan's and Lauchan's fighting styles?

 

In real life Pai's fighting style is Enisei- Ken, or as u want Mizonquan. It's rather old fighting style, that firstly appeared in middle China, near Peking or something... In english it means (i dunno on 100%) ''Flying Swallow Fist''.
About Lau, i dunno anything:>

 

oh, Mizonquan. Interesting.


I honestly think Lau is Tiger or Dragon.