Kanazawa CHINJUUZUKAN

exellent wolf play in the second clip.

 

yeah seconded, shame bout the result eh /versus/images/graemlins/wink.gif

 

i guess shangs point vs kage is proven lol

 

pheonix -- i really wasnt gonna say anything, but i completely thought the same way when i watched the clip for the first time, ROFL! haha. /versus/images/graemlins/grin.gif

 

the last round made me wanna cry --- but i was looking at the effort difference...

*cries* -- i know what it's like to feel helpless at 80% health.

 

ya effort difference
wolf pulls out all this badass shit < kage safe combo launching pokes

elbow elbow, almost 90pts damage -____-U

 

If the 64% 3rd-Green Wolf had escaped just one of the 80% 3rd-Copper Kage's six +s landed--the only throw he used, if I recall--that Wolf might've won. But he didn't. That Wolf lost because his defense isn't as good as his offense.

And yeah, I also think that Wolf can probably kick everyone's ass here.

 

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And yeah, I also think that Wolf can probably kick everyone's ass here.

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Unless you use kage and just did + over and over....

 

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That Wolf lost because his defense isn't as good as his offense.


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no doubt, but again, i was looking at the effort factor.

it is clear that wolf needed far better defense than kage therefore the slight match inbalance (in VERY vague terms). there is no way a wolf can force that many choices to a kage in such an instant. --- i mean why was a wolf being forced into defense at such a health contrast?

this goes on and on, but nobody is gonna change their oppinion i think.

 

The fact that Wolf had to take all those risks to get the damage he did, that kind of shows the unbalance. Don't get me wrong, he should have escaped those throws more, but that was VERY risky play and good guessing. That Kage was no doubt good, but most of the damage he did was spamming the elbows, and the throw. Wolf getting that sabaki, that's so damned risky, but Wolf always has to take those risky chances to win. Kage's game seemed to consist of LP, Elbow, that low poking kick, and the throw... nothing too risky...

It's a shame though, if he had escaped that throw a bit, that hard work would have payed off. I think part of it was the wolf was trying to attack in the end to avoid the throw, and the Kage just kept getting counters... quite sad really.

 

I think both you and BK are onto it with respect to the differences involved in the match up.

 

sorry all, -- just a quick regards the throw thinggie.

dont forget that wolf didnt just have to escape the throw each time, he had to guess it each time --- if anybody has ever faced an agressive kage (and jacky for that matter), they would know that throwing is one out of so many followups you are expecting to recieve after a short stagger.

struggling, throw escaping , and keeping a strong guard at the same time is alittle too much to pick at imo in such a short instance. as you can see, kage can keep up that stagger game all day. but i would pick my priorities after one or too elbow dryness -- wolf just guessed wrong too often. i dont think it was all his fault in the grand scheme of things.

 

Heh, you're right, no one's about to change their opinion on anything. My fingers have bled from typing that Wolf needs fewer guesses to take big damage to compensate for more risk, but I also agree it's simply harder to play a character like Wolf. In fact, to play any big-damage, throw-based characters in any fighting game, e.g. Astaroth, Zangief, etc.

That said, six +s in one match, and the only throw Kage attempted, would be a signal to me that I should start + guard cancel in a lot of situations. That Kage is really good, and that Wolf is pretty good, but the Wolf lost because of his defense...that much should be given.

 

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That said, six +s in one match, and the only throw Kage attempted, would be a signal to me that I should start + guard cancel in a lot of situations.

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Dont forget that Kage has 3 other throws + a catch throw that cannot be dodged too, defending all those throws + potential strikes is easier said than done.

Kage's throw game was already way overpowered in evo, it should have been nerfed in FT but it wasnt.

 

whoooo hoooo
andrew u r my hero ^0^

 

I wouldn't go out and say overpowered... but I wouldn't disagree with you in that respect. It is also something address with Ver. A, Kage's throw has been weakened just a bit... but something interesting that I've read on Japanese bulletin boards is that the TFT change really did not change much of Kage's throw games.... there was really no point to make it a longer command. Ask any decent wolf player doing 270 throws or PGS, we all do it pretty much 100% and it is not an obstacle. The key is that some of the most damaging throws are the same direction escape. I think instead of changing the TFT to a hcb motion, making the + a command like + would have been more sensible... Since Kage already have for oki set up and for good guess game.. make the direction some stagger type of throw like Lau or Akira or even something similar to the throw would have been a nice change imo.[

 

Yeah i agree that the new TFT command did nothing in terms of game balancing.

 

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I wouldn't go out and say overpowered... but I wouldn't disagree with you in that respect. It is also something address with Ver. A, Kage's throw has been weakened just a bit... but something interesting that I've read on Japanese bulletin boards is that the TFT change really did not change much of Kage's throw games.... there was really no point to make it a longer command. Ask any decent wolf player doing 270 throws or PGS, we all do it pretty much 100% and it is not an obstacle. The key is that some of the most damaging throws are the same direction escape. I think instead of changing the TFT to a hcb motion, making the + a command like + would have been more sensible... Since Kage already have for oki set up and for good guess game.. make the direction some stagger type of throw like Lau or Akira or even something similar to the throw would have been a nice change imo.[

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Then what value does the throw have if TFT is on the same direction? Just take out 42P+G entirely. The throw was a bad idea to begin with.