Konjou's "Help Desk" - What has it become?

So Konjou started his blog with the intention of making it a place to comment on people he has played and break down their "strengths and weaknesses" in an attempt at (I think) helping the player base. Since not many people really post comments there, but even from comments I've heard from other members of the commmunity online, it is clear that a lot of people from here read it. So I thought I'd post both a recent blogpost he's written, and my response here, so that more people can provide input/comments. Both are a bit long, but I'm not going to insult anyone's intelligence by neglecting to post both full versions here. I'm interested in comments/opinions about the subject material discussed, and not so much the blog it was posted on (I just wanted a flashy title to attract attention, and so people would have an idea where it was coming from). Without further ado:

 

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I'll own both of you at Shaq Fu. Thread closed!

 

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Sounds like you both really overreacted to internet comments that weren't really that insulting. Though, I'd say Konjou loses this one if you forced me to answer.

As far as the gameplay comments, they seem pretty good. Konjou was definitely underestimating the planning you were putting in, I can say that you, DubC, have shown some of the best/fastest adaptation to new strategies that I've ever seen, I regularly lose to both of you. Konjou was right however, in that you do get predictable from a little too much focus on frame data. That is, while I haven't played in a couple of weeks, I remember I could always get a couple matches until you started trying to find new strategies to exploit specific weaknesses of mine, and then I'd lose from not being able to keep up with changing strats as fast as you.

 

The biggest issue imo is egos.

It's a tough thing to admit, from the both of you, the thing about it here is that one player has more behind them in the game than the other so it's even harder to admit when they're actually wrong.

Ain't nothing wrong with giving people props, what makes it difficult is that people let it get to their head and run away with it(and you both do, I read posts). And then when shit doesn't go their way then that's when it gets out of control.

It's also hard too when stuff doesn't go your way because of things you can't control(whether it's lag/delay, or just getting surprised). I mean, I lost to SuGaRman yesterday, and although the match was quite delayed imo, it was my fault for even getting put into the position where it called for that. And props to SuGarman for leveling up and bringing his skills up to the point where my timing really needed to matter. Yesterday I was kind of caught by surprise by it, but then I realized that hey man, even he knew I wasn't playing up to snuff or whatever, and I can't knock that.

And all in all SuGarman got alot better from the last time we played, and I had a hard time accepting it at first, he did a nice job of beating me up.
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I also want to know why people always got to post up NUMBERS like "hey i beat you 5 times in a row" etc. When people start posting up numbers and running away with it, that's when egos get inflated. Who seriously cares who won the most now, and by how many, you had a gg that's it.

 

Admittedly, the reason I posted numbers in my response in the ggs thread was partly as a joke (when I capitalized 14 that he had), and partly in defense of myself. I know a lot of people here probably read the blog too, and after what he had posted on the day before, and him saying that he was just "sitting back, going for 20 matches on me", I just wanted to get out there to people that only see what is going on from the internet side and may not even know me (but possibly drawing conclusions): "Hey, I'm not TOTALLY a terrible player, I did win an amount and even had streaks of my own". Apparently though, Konjou would have preferred that I stay on the ground, keep my mouth shut, and eat his dirt, so he posted a "retaliatory speech" on his "stage".

I honestly don't know why if he had a problem he wouldn't have pmed me or responded in the ggs thread... well other than the reason that I posted for him doing it in my blog comment.

 

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My dog goes into a sit position from 100 yards away, on my hand signal.

 

You could've done the same.

He probably could've posted the way he did in possible defense of your running away with claims of getting small win streaks, or to make sure your head didn't get big because of a couple wins.

Shit I don't know.

You never know if someone is going to draw conclusions, and it's annoying sometimes trying to not care. Especially when it shouldn't even be that big a deal.

 

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having the pleasure of playing dubc offline i'd say konjou's figuring out dubc's play style is on point. i'm not a great player myself but i noticed dubc kind've plays like he's on autopilot with the way he attacks and i was able to interrupt his flow alot with low p and then get a counter hit knee into juggle a few times. i also know he wasn't feeling well the night he came down to play and it sounds alot like he fell into that rut that he was talking about with it being too hot in his room while playing against konjou.

not to say dubc wasn't getting wins on us (he did walk into my house and got at least a 7 win streak off the bat not to mention other wins over the 4 or 5 hours we played) but i feel he almost has a rythmic pattern to his play that if you know where to poke or evade you can get him off his game. i don't know akira's moves so i can't really elaborate further but thats what i saw during that night and tried to use to my advantage when playing him.

i'd say dubc is on point with his execution and knows how to punish well. if he lands the first hit, everything else is pretty much guaranteed. he knew alot of the frames against my character (el blaze, something i don't even care to remember all of) and i think it helped in his gameplan against me. i had to switch to just poking with low p and pk and baiting moves to block that i thought would leave him at disadvantage rather than my usual setups which were getting elbowed and double palmed left and right.

but yeah, i'd say dubc has come along alot faster than i did after 2 months of getting the game.

as far as internet comments, i think what you both learned about eachother's play far outweighs any comment you guys are taking personal. you both got what you wanted out of playing eachother (konjou with abiiity to assess another player and dubc for experience playing a seasoned vet).

i think you both should just take that for what it is, learn from it, and turn it into better games instead of focusing on certain comments that might hurt your pride a little.

 

Well unfortunately pride is not the issue for me - which is why even though I was posting somewhat of an attempt at defense of myself, I took a lot of time to also inflate Konjou's skill and let it be known how good of a player I thought he was.

What I was concerned about was how the blog was being used purely to retaliate in a forum where people I don't know would read primarily one person's comments and draw conclusions about me and my thought patterns without even knowing me - then either meeting me online or seeing me here with those preconceived notions. It didn't seem to be what it claimed to be, which was an avenue to help people, but a way to slip in fairly cheap attacks (with the claim of humility), where most of the community would still see, but where one voice remained primary (admittedly, it was the only time really that it was done, so maybe Konjou just slipped or something).

If it was just called Konjou's blog, I wouldn't complain. It's his blog. I don't read blogs. But it was promoted in the Akira thread as a way for Konjou to analyze people/situations, and I was going to it to possibly look for insight into certain situations/matchups, and to maybe get some game insight from one of the recognized, best players in the game. Clearly, somewhere a bait and switch was put in place. Hence this thread.

 

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Konjou's "Help Desk" - What has it become? It became what it always was, an experienced player analyzing his opponents playing style whether it be a little criticism or praising. His ability to read his opponents so well is what gives his site credibility.

 

Denkai did you read the OP? I said I was more interested in the discussion of the content of the two posts, more than an answer to the question. I just knew some thread title like that would make it seem "dramatic" and draw a few more people to read.

Neither criticism nor praising was the issue here, but rather addressing in a place where more people would see my comments, his comments on me personally in relation to humility, and light thrown on "his own", and how it led to him dismissing things done (due to him being the vet, and me being the new guy) as spammy and random, and slipping in other "shots" which didn't represent the "good player humility" at VFDC itself.

Honestly, the ONLY reason, I wrote anything was because of this comment:

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I don’t know about the previous communities that you come from, but here in the VF community one of the biggest qualities all good players possess is that they know how to be humble… win or lose!</div></div>

That is where I took the real offense, and got nervous about what people would think of me for the wrong reasons. Not to mention, it seemed to be a fairly hypocritical attack to throw out in light of what I had just finished reading.

 

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I enjoy playing both of you and think you're both talented players.

(Bringing some sunshine to this thread.)

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I've read the entire thing, maybe to him you came off a little cocky in your replies which is why he talked about being humble. Its understandable that you would think his comment was hypocritical but remember his site was intended to truthfully talk about other people's styles of play in his view. When he talked about him laughing with his roommate when watching you play it wasn't meant to boost him up but rather prove a point that you were becoming to predictable

 

Well, he said in the blog that the whole reason he wrote it was in response to what little I said on the board. He also completely dismissed everything I did to get wins as random/spammy without ANY analysis about "why or why didn't" certain things work and just continued to emphasize his overall dominance (which I respect, considering he employs so many different techniques very well). I'm not even sure who is being analyzed (if anyone), me or him in his second blog.

My comment was purely: Why use your blog that you advertised to analyze people for bettering their game to launch an attack (as he said himself) on me, some guy who has been playing the game for 2 months that was thought to be a friend, based on a FORUM POST (hence why I brought it back to the forum), and then criticize me for lack of humility?

 

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Well this sucks I just wrote about 10 paragraphs... hit the wrong button to copy paste something and lost everything /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/cry.gif Guess I will have to try and just do a quick summary of what I wrote if I can remember. This sucks because I already know that no matter what I write at this point won't be better than what I wrote the first time, but here it goes....

I originally was not going to make a post in the pointless thread, but after reading this I felt that I had too.

There has not been a bait an switch with my blog. You are forgetting that it is in fact MY blog. Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't a blog nothing more than an online journal that's open to public. Sure blogging has changed through out the years but over all that's what it is.

As far as lack of information to actually help people well you have to remember that the site is only roughly 1 month old. Also it is a lot of work to find the time to maintain it, especially if it's something that's completely new to you. The time will come when there will be more useful information to help people grow. And if anyone remembers, since my first post I have constantly asked people to leave comments on how I should improve things. No one, even yourself DubC has even left a comment to aid me in this way.

I really wish I didn't lose my original post because it was so much nicer and explained a lot of thing more deeply. So I guess I just quickly sum it up in the next few paragraphs.

DubC - First off let me say this... You are complete right that majority of what I wrote may be out of place and not appropiate as a veteran player. Secondly despite what you want to believe there is absolutely nothing going to my head in terms of the attention or praise that I get from people.

Like myself you are a very competitive player and you are constantly striving to be better. I applaud this and respect it!

But, maybe it's the way you use your words or maybe it's my lack of interpretting the things that you comment about on the boards, but you always come off and as individual who seems to always have the answer or an answer to everything. I guess I was annoyed by this and felt that I need to set the record straight about our latest session.

Any ways I am done and refuse to let this escalate up the ladder any further than it already has.

I will end it with this and hope that you don't take things like this to heart.

In reference to me and Nelson laughing, it was not you as player we were laughing at. We were merely laughing at the ability that I have to call things out move for move and make it happen. To us, this is very funny, because it should not happen as much as it does, but for some reason it does.

I am sorry and my deepest apologies goes out to you if you felt that I have offended you. Let's wash this under bridge and forget about it, because it's turning into something truly silly.

I enjoying playing VF on LIVE with everyone despite the fact that I don't talk much. The reason I don't speak is mainly because I can not do both play VF and have a random conversation at the same time. Once the match or session is over, I am more than happy to give time to anyone who wants to chat or talk about something we may have in common. I am sure SOSLICK and Risen Glory can vouche for me on this one.

I will also say this... If people are really bothered by what I write then please let me take the time out to apologize to them as well. I am sorry! However, I still plan to CONTINUE writing the way I do and about the people that I play on LIVE. These are just my thoughts and opinion. For the people who find it arrogant and offensive... please don't read it. Nothing is forcing you to go to MY blog. Spare yourself the pain so you don't think that Konjou is an arrogant fuck!

 

Its a good idea to either use notepad to write a long message in the first place or copypaste to notepad while writing..Thats what I try to do when I write long posts, like faqs and such.

As for the helpdesk issue, your blog is a cool thing, but in fighting games I guess most people are sensitive to what is said about them (I know I am!) and their skills. So it is natural that people will sometimes take offense to analysis done on them. You just have to keep reminding that your goal is objective analysis, not to diss people.

Also, in internet chat and forumposts, 'nuances' of the message are often lost so it is difficult to message that you arent all that serious or that this was a joke or should be taken with a grain of salt. For this reason I try to post seriously all the time (Im serious in real life too!) or add these -> /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif whenever I want to say I wasnt that serious.

 

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I enjoy the matches w u konjou!!!!
and u r the best!!!!!!!!

 

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Thanks for wanting to make things right. I've had no problem with the blog before the second one about me. I understood that even though you may sound harsh about people (Shinn Akira was the first one I thought that about, and I told him about the post just so he would know) as the first one MAY have seemed towards me, I understand what you are doing and that you are just trying to do your thing. You still presented useful information in both of them.

I'm not trying to come down on your blog overall at all, I guess I was just saying that as the second post about me, when it is used to address certain people or call them out in relation to things that aren't just the match or VF (when it moves to personal stuff), then it can turn into something ugly. I believe straight off on the forum, pm, or live (wherever the beef may originate) is a better venue and can at least in my mind (although I don't think my opinion amounts to much at all), protect the integrity of your blog.

I apologize on my part for any misunderstanding generated from past posts. I'm not aware of any issues, but so far, on this forum, it hasn't been my intention to get into even mild heat about anything. I'm not sure how to appear like I don't have an answer to something. I'm usually just vocal on my opinions (I love VF, and I love this site, so I like to try to contribute when I can to various discussions). At any rate, thanks for taking the time to acknowledge this with a response, and I'm glad we could sort it out in the proper place.

 

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Dennis you are nutz! lol and I am far from the best man, you have whopped on my good plenty of times. Hope to see you soon