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Lettuce's Blog - VF5FS system information

Discussion in 'Dojo' started by akai, Jun 10, 2012.

  1. akai

    akai Moderator Staff Member Bronze Supporter

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    Lettuce's Blog - there is a wealth of information about the game's system in Lettuce's blog (note - this is in Japanese and is fairly technical stuff). I am hoping to use this thread to basically post updates on the things he has worked on and currently working on. H

    If you check his youtube page, Lettuce is titling his videos for non-Japanese VF players.

    Currently - Lettuce is currently elaborating on the different staggers.
     
    akai, Jun 10, 2012
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  2. Chanchai

    Chanchai Well-Known Member

    Thanks so much for sharing this! This might be the Japanese blog I had heard about ^_^
     
    Chanchai, Jun 11, 2012
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  3. Mister

    Mister Well-Known Member Content Manager Wolf Content Manager Sarah Content Manager Aoi

    akai, the link to his youtube's page is a clone of the blog's page.
    Here is the youtube page.
     
    Mister, Jun 11, 2012
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  4. Libertine

    Libertine Well-Known Member Content Manager Brad Silver Supporter Content Coordinator

    Libertine, Jun 19, 2012
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  5. akai

    akai Moderator Staff Member Bronze Supporter

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    Quick frame data information from Lettuce's Blog (goes with the youtube links that Libertine posted above) related to staggers. He distinguishes staggers caused by walls, throws, and strikes. The “wall stagger†frame information has been available for a while now; however, the staggers caused by strikes are recent - mostly a month’s worth of work gathered by Lettuce.

    The frames (note that the frames listed are not the frame difference seen in the “Guard,†“Hit,†or “Counter Hit,â€) column in VFDC command lists. The frames shown in the Red Joystick Display can be reduced by joystick and button inputs. For each recognized input, 3 frames of animation is removed (also listed in the Masters Guide).

    Wall Stagger
    24F - Green Joystick Display
    36F - Red Joystick Display

    Crouch Stagger
    Front
    22F - Green Joystick Display
    16F - Red Joystick Display
    Side
    23F - Green Joystick Display
    21F - Red Joystick Display
    Rear
    27F - Green Joystick Display
    18F - Red Joystick Display

    Normal Stagger
    Front
    26F - Green Joystick Display
    19F - Red Joystick Display
    Side
    26F - Green Joystick Display
    28F - Red Joystick Display
    Rear (version 1)
    31F - Green Joystick Display
    14F - Red Joystick Display
    Rear (version 2)
    09F - Green Joystick Display
    71F - Red Joystick Display

    Stumble
    Front
    19F - Green Joystick Display
    41F - Red Joystick Display
    Side
    19F - Green Joystick Display
    41F - Red Joystick Display
    Rear
    09F - Green Joystick Display
    71F - Red Joystick Display

    Foot Stagger
    Front
    23F - Green Joystick Display
    43F - Red Joystick Display
    Side
    23F - Green Joystick Display
    43F - Red Joystick Display
    Rear
    31F - Green Joystick Display
    14F - Red Joystick Display

    Circular Stagger
    Front
    24F - Green Joystick Display
    36F - Red Joystick Display
    Side (Version 1)
    24F - Green Joystick Display
    36F - Red Joystick Display
    Side (Version 2)
    09F - Green Joystick Display
    71F - Red Joystick Display
    Rear
    09F - Green Joystick Display
    71F - Red Joystick Display

    Backdash Stagger
    Front
    25F - Green Joystick Display
    66F - Red Joystick Display
    Rear
    09F - Green Joystick Display
    71F - Red Joystick Display
     
    akai, Jun 22, 2012
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  6. akai

    akai Moderator Staff Member Bronze Supporter

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    akai, Jun 25, 2012
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  7. Mister

    Mister Well-Known Member Content Manager Wolf Content Manager Sarah Content Manager Aoi

    :| honestly i don't hear this difference
     
    Mister, Jun 26, 2012
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  8. akai

    akai Moderator Staff Member Bronze Supporter

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    hmm the one that hit at the later active frame (the first one) had a longer sound (somewhat like guard+whiff sound) while the the second one had just a guard sound. Somewhat subtle.
     
    akai, Jun 26, 2012
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  9. Myke

    Myke Administrator Staff Member Content Manager Kage

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    I'd describe the first one as a guard+dash sound. Had to listen to it a number of times before I could notice the difference.
     
    Myke, Jun 26, 2012
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  10. Shag

    Shag Well-Known Member

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    I notice the difference, the sound is two sounds at the same time. Its a guard sound and a whiffed move sound.
     
    Shag, Jun 26, 2012
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  11. Mister

    Mister Well-Known Member Content Manager Wolf Content Manager Sarah Content Manager Aoi

    ooooh, now i noticed it too. It's first the sound of whiff + hit then only hit, now i get it.
     
    Mister, Jun 26, 2012
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  12. Drift

    Drift Well-Known Member

    There is a discrepancy between akai's translated stagger info and this table from Lettuce's blog:
    http://blog-imgs-54-origin.fc2.com/l/e/t/lettuce1789/20120704212223005.jpg

    The table rates the difficulty of recovering from each of the main types of staggers. In the section on stumbles (3rd category, I think), the image appears to state that a rear stumble is 31 green, 14 red while Akai's post says 9 green, 71 red. I assume Akai translated directly from the blog and the image is incorrect. Am I misreading it?
     
    Drift, Jul 22, 2012
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  13. AnimalStaccato

    AnimalStaccato Well-Known Member

    What's the fastest time that you can escape any of these staggers in?
     
    AnimalStaccato, Aug 9, 2012
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  14. Tricky

    Tricky "9000; Eileen Flow Dojoer" Content Manager Eileen

    reviving thread. I what is the fastest time you can escape?
     
    Tricky, Jul 18, 2013
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