New Character

Well, actually a new member, its me.
I'm just playing vf4 at the mo. I'm learing Lei Fei's moves, well actually i've learnt them on the training command and now i'm still practicing trial mode.
Tell me is it better to do an evading throw escape guard instead of just doing an evading throw escape.

 

Lei Fei Floaters

How many variations are there for Lei Fei's floater moves ?. Care to show them. Thanks.

 

It is. If you do just ETE, your character will pull out throw after evade. And if your opponent will do something at that moment (for example if he attack with a series), he will counter you for 100%.

 

Thanks dude. But i mean is there any disadvantages in doing eteg instead of doing just et etc.

 

beginner

I'm new to all this stuff. I never knew vf4 was as indepth as this. All this stuff looks very complicated.
Whats with all the frames stuff ? and how does anyone know the number of frames ?.

 

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I merged the threads together. Please try not to create so many different threads when they can be combined into one post.

 

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thanks mate. i needed that.

 

Re: beginner

First post: In my opinion leifei is the worst first character to use. You won't learn the finer points of how the game works, and even if you get "decent" with him (which you can't without understanding the fundamentals), none of your skills can transfer over to other characters. IMO jeffry is the best starting character, but hey, who the hell am i to tell you who to play?

2nd: In terms of ones you should be using, not that many. The difference is there's usually an optimal floater ender for half the characters, so "mastering" leifei might involve knowing all of these and being able to apply them perfectly. But in all reality, the damage difference between combos is so trivial that i don't even think the top guys in japan are able to pull off the best ones consistently, especially when half of them are stance specific.

3rd: Odds are you'll be able to pull off one less throw escape -- that's about it.

4: Frames mean everything. If you understand how frames work and are able to apply them, then you take the first step at becoming decent at this game.

Frame Guide:
http://virtuafighter.com/view.php?section=vf4&file=vf4ft_frames_guide.html

Note, every character's frame stats can be found on their respective command lists page, so for evo leifei

http://virtuafighter.com/commands/index.php?chara=lei&ver=evob

 

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First of, no you cant tell me how to play my game and second of, yes you are right. I was just playing it with lei fei and i was thinking exactly the same thing as you just said. Hey maybe i am thinking right then ?. His stances can waste a lot of time (frames ?). And having to cancel them to perform other moves result in me getting hit by skilled players or is there a way out of this ?. As you can tell i am very much a beginner by all the question marks above however i think the best way for me to learn is by myself. I,m still not sure about the frames having not read that link yet you just gave to me (thankyou very much) but i believe i may understand the frames in my own way. I'll have a guess, is it the time each move takes and animation. I'm quite good at fighting and reconizeing pettern behaviour (excuse my spelling) and quite free flowing if that makes any sense. The only other character i would try to learn would be shun, a good decision or not ?, i just prefer style over substance i'm afraid, like lei fei is very fancy to watch, like dancing or skating on ice. Shun, i like the whole drunken fighting much like the guy from tekken and drunken master (jackie chan). I just watched some videos for lei fei on vf5, looks good but i'm not sure about the new stance, has it replaced one of his others ?. Heres a link for all you who dont know this

http://youtube.com/results?search=lei+fei+virtua+fighter+5&search_type=search_videos

 

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Hi there, frames become important later down the line. As of right now your priority with frames should be when to know you're in either advantage or disadvantage. Then you can move from there. Also are you playing Evo? This is the latest home console version.

Are there any players in your area? VF Evo is an execellent 1p game, but it becomes that much more fun when you've got someone to play against. /versus/images/graemlins/smile.gif Check the Jamboree board!

 

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Thanks srider for that personal email !.
Hi Jerky, no unfortunatley there are no real players in my area, all i have is the cpu to fight or my sister who doesnt like thta game anyway. My mum likes it though.
Yeah i know evo is the newest vf if old also. I really want vf5, thats why i bought vf4 for the second time after i sold it a long time ago. I never got round to playing it properly until now. And its now i'm finding out just how indepth this game is. Wow just reading this stuff is as exciting as playing the game. So how is evo any better then ?, i know its not as pretty in terms of graphical style because a lot of the levels are cloudy and not very colourful for some reason. Also the characters in vf5 look a little smaller then before probally because their more life like and their bodies more calculated with the polygons etc.

Well actually there is someone who could fight me but i dont want to play him just yet, i want to secretly get really good at the game before i give him ago on vf5, thats why i'm learning with this one so i'm ready in time.

Am i right about the frames stuff in my post above somewhere ?, is is quite common knowledge just to know how long it takes to do a move and where your position ends up etc. Hey maybe i think its something totally different and then i will just sound like a fool.

I will look into it myself about frames though. But like i said i'm still learning the trial stuff, i just have to keep going through it to drum it into my head. And also i'm playing it all on hard as i find on easy the players just stand there waiting to be hit, and i will not learn that way as i like to react fast, this i think is the best learning curve, for me anyway. I'm sure a lot of you will agree even if you are a skilled player.

No other fighting game has gripped me like this one. Oh and sorry if i offend anyone but i dont like old skool fighting games with the pre rendered back grounds and 2d fighting. sorry but thats my opinion.

Thanks for helping me out guys. If i come across anthing when i'm playing vf4 i will let you know. You never know i might find out something you lot dont know ?.

Thanks. look forward to replys.

 

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Does the game tell you the frames of each move ?, on training perhaps.

I read somewhere this move for lei fei but the second combo isnt working or + +. What am i doing wrong ?.

Is it possible to evade or block everything move after i cancel the stance for lei fei or is this where the frames come into play.

what are a good combination of attacks, i know all the moves but just need to link them, i'm only good at linking stances and a few moves.

Also theres a combo i read ( forward roll + ) but how do i roll or is this only after i've been knocked down ?.

If i know the answers to these i am a few steps closer to mastering the game.
Does anyone actually play the game thinking about frames every step of the way, boy you would have to be very quick to do that.
Whats your win ratio just so i know, and state what difficulti, thanks.

Oh yeah are there any videos of people playing vf that are very skilled so then i might learn a thing or two.

i noticed on hard mode that the cpu notices me what buttons i'm pressing before my player has executed the move, this is cheating and no person can do this. So i simply delay or fool the cpu into thinking i'm pressing something else down, i have to be quick and enter some dummy buttons dwon before and change them quickly. Is this called buffering ?.

Can the cpu actually detect the buttons i'm pressing before my window appears to let me do so or can they only recognize my presses from my own window ?
Hope you know what i'm talking about. I'm not good at talking in vf language.

Can anyone tell me if i am making any sense in beginning to learn this game or have i got it totaly wrong ?
Please i would very like to know where or if i'm thinking completely wrong.

Thankyou very much.

 

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vf4commander said:

I read somewhere this move for lei fei but the second combo isnt working or + +. What am i doing wrong ?.

Also theres a combo i read ( forward roll + ) but how do i roll or is this only after i've been knocked down ?.

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These moves are only available to Lei-Fei in VF4:Final Tuned. This version is out on arcade only.

If you are playing at home, you can check your characters movelist going into Training mode-- Commands. You can also check out this page and check the links of which version you are playing. VF4 ver. C is the home version for VF4. Evolution ver. B points to the movelist for the home version for VF4:Evolution.

Since you are a beginner, I wouldn't worry about memorizing frames right about now. Right now you should concentrate on learning how to do moves in general and memorize all the moves for your character.

If you are playing VF4:Evo, you can see replays of famous players using all of the characters by going to Replays--DVD ROM. You can also check out this forums Media section. Just remember to don't ask for requests there.

 

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Cheers for that info mate.
So can you only role on command in the arcade version ?. And whats that combo like then on the arcade.

Does anyone know the moves list for lei fei in vf5 yet, coz i wanted to know if that new stance he has will have replaced any old moves. I think the laying down move should have been left to shun only.


Apon playing the game further i am asking more questions. I must be really getting into it then.

First of, how do i jump over a character, like in the trial command it talks about jumping over people but it doesnt tell me how. I know some characters can jump anyway with a move but what about everyone else ?

I was gonna ask this but i found out the move now, its basic but very helpful and can tip the game in your faver when your in trouble at the last min, basicaly if your gonna be beaten by a ring out using lei fei quickly grab them and it pushes them out with this combo i think + using ARM with a reversal.

When a player jumps over lei fei and his left facing the wrong way, whats the best and quickest way of tipping it in your faver without being hit ?.

After i've been knocked down is it best to do an evade throw escape after i recover when i'm on the ground ?

Question about your A.I, Is it really possible for them to be a master just by you training them, theres some things you cannot teach them, do they just get better as you go. Also do you have to be quick when fighting your A.I for them to be quick as well. Whats happening when my A.I turns his head and looks at the screen, is he waiting for me to give him advice when using him to fight.

Is trying to pull of all the moves you learn for a character all in one fight really such a good idea, i dont think it is. I know the more varied you are the less predictable you are but i think it really depends on your opponents skill as well.

 

Re: beginner

You appear to be playing VF4 Ver. C. A good game in it's own right.

If you get a chance, pick up a copy of VF4:Evolution for the PS2. The training has been expanded (if I remember correctly), and the Quest Mode AI plays quite well in the last few arcades. Quest is the replacement for Kumite mode. I think you might enjoy it.

 

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why are there 6 different versions of the vf4 game ??

 

Re: beginner

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vf4commander said:

Can anyone tell me if i am making any sense in beginning to learn this game or have i got it totaly wrong ?
Please i would very like to know where or if i'm thinking completely wrong.

Thankyou very much.

[/ QUOTE ] Trust me, I'm a huge dick on these forums. But me telling you that you aren't even close to having a grasp on this game is not me being a dick, it's the truth.

And there's some matches of good players on the game itself. Just go to replay and look at the CD.

 

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vf4commander said:

why are there 6 different versions of the vf4 game ??

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Tweaks, improvements, added characters.

 

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i'm good enough without being great or excellent which is more then i can say for most people who play games. It helps me that i have played and completed 330 other games , mixed genre's.

 

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Hi, i just sold my copy of virtua fighter 4 and bought vf4 evolution. I have already noticed a few things different. Apart from the obvious being that there are a few new moves for each character also some other tricks.

Like before when i was hit and had to recover i just pressed L2 a couple of times followed by block (square). But now i have to press other buttons with L2.
Has anyone else noticed this ?.

Also when my character is facing the wrong way, when i get knocked down i can recover but before in vf4 if i was knocked down i couldnt recover if i was facing the wrong way.

And some of my attacks that put them into a floater, the opponent seems to drift futher apart than in vf4 making it harder for me to follow up with some floater moves, mainly the down spinning kick.

There was one other thing but i forgot now, i will try and remember it.

I dont know what the hell there playing at mucking about with all the tricks like that. I hope vf5 contains a bit of both of the skill from these 2 rolled into one and then some.................

Is there any moves that have been replaced or removed from this vf4 evolutioon compared to vf4 ?. i only know some new moves for lei fei have been added but none replaced or removed for him or am i wrong ?.