Promotion Weirdness

I was 2nd Dan. I won 3 in a row against similar ranks, and as my meter was going up, it was also getting redder. The 4th match, despite my wins and meter past 50%, was a DEMOTION MATCH?! Luckily I won that and the next few. My meter continued to go up but fade to green, and I eventually got a promotion match to 3rd Dan, and a few later to 4th Dan. I later got demoted (my own fault, unrelated) and am now 3rd.

Has anyone experienced a demotion match after WINNING a few against similar ranks? Maybe it didn't like my cheesy tactics, despite the wins?/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif

 

I won't pretend to fully understand the ranking specifics, as it sometimes seems to move much too slowly. But a question, is there a difference in meter gain between winning a match 3-0 as opposed to 3-2? If so, winning a few close matches probably wouldn't move your meter much.

 

Someone exactly the same rank as you gives huge amount of xp. While, people 1 or 2 ranks above/below you will give very slight amounts of xp.

Basically, if you're a 3rd dan with low enough xp, another 3rd dan will be a demotion match, but if you play a bunch of 1st or 5th dans instead of 3rd dans, it will take many many wins before you can earn enough xp from them to prevent another 3rd dan from still being a demotion match.

 

Thanks for the enlightenment. I will try to play mostly within my own rank now that I know that. The only thing that still confuses me is that I had a half-full bar, but it was red. Do you know the difference between color and length, when it comes to the bar?

 

if you play the same rank as your opponent 5 times, and lost 5 times in a row, the next time you lose to the same rank will be demotion. it doesn't matter if you have a full bar, if it's red you're pretty much better off demoting yourself. And vise versa, you will get the orange bar (i think).

i would like to know if it's possible to reverse the red bar. i had it 3 times and never able to make it back to green.

 

The rank bar can rise even if we lost a fight.
Very visible on 10th kyu.

 

I think there is even more to the story, because last night I watched someone get promoted by beating me. The guy had an orange bar but it was only 25% full. I thought it was a demotion match until I read the fine print. I believe color dictates ranking matches while the bar is an indication of something different. Then, when the bar is full it turns orange or red and you get a promotion match, and if it goes to empty, it turns color and you get a demotion match. However the fullness of the bar means nothing compared to whatever else dictates promotion matches, like the 5-in-a-row mentioned by YuuKun.

 

Two things... I think it's not 5 in a row for all dan ranks... like for 1st and 2nd it's only 3 in a row or something... don't remember for sure.

And yeah, red means demotion against someone the same rank as you, orange means promotion against someone the same rank as you, based just on wins/losses against people exactly the same rank. I might be wrong wrong about saying you get extra xp from people the same rank before... maybe it's just a completely seperate counter. I believe against the other ranks that can give you xp, the bar will never change color, but it will fill up as you win, and if you actually fill the bar completely that way, you can get a promotion with a green bar (this takes a long, long time, which is probably why you haven't seen it yet, I've only seen it once after like 500 matches online... and it was a guy not my rank who got a promotion match against from an almost full green bar, and then he lost).

 

Filling the green all the way up is how I got all of my promotions, even in quest mode.

 

I've got promoted to 7th dan when I had about 75% of promotion bar. It was orange.

 

Yes I have definitely been promoted without fighting any same-ranks, and it wasn't that many fights. (I do play for 6 hours at a time sometimes, so it's all relative) In fact, one of my promotions was off someone 1 rank down from me. The bar has to be 100% full for that to happen.

As far as demotion goes, I have been demoted by having my bar go to 0 and my next match as a demotion match. (shameful, I know)

So somewhere there is also an internal counter that keeps track of same-rank fights, that supersedes the bar. I wonder if the way you win has anything to do with this too? (3-0, 2-1, excellent, etc.)

 

I don't think it's shameful, I thought it was good that you kept trying to figure out how to beat someone regardless of ranking.

 

Yes I'll take a match with someone who whoops me as many times as I'll get it, so I can try to figure out why I am being whooped. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif It's a treat when I actually come across a 10th dan and up. I only wish I could rematch once or twice...

 

I'm getting better but my rank is going down : )
I simply try to remach people who are a little better than me.

 

I think part of it is that people are constantly getting better. I'm picturing the ranking world like an economy. There's only so much "green bar" to go around and you can't increase yours without taking some one else's (robbing Peter to pay Paul.) So the only way more "money" (=green bar) gets pumped into the system is when new players/gamer-tags start playing. Does that sound even remotely correct???

That means, as the people go up in levels, more green bar is getting centralized by their character. Think about how much green bar a Master+ rank has to accumulate. The only way of "cheating" the system is to go on a win streak and get hot and get one of those level ups where you get a ranking match when your bar isn't full (I think the bar turns yellow when your hot and Red when your losing bad.)

The ranking system works well because you only gain or lose substantial amounts of "green bar" by fighting some one who is within two ranks of you. So when you go from 5th Dan to 4th Dan you will probably go back up (if you deserve to) because now you'll be getting "green bar" from fighting 2nd Dans that you can beat easily (at 5th Dan the minimum for you to gain would be fighting a 3rd Dan) AND losing to 7th Dans (that are tougher for you to beat) won't make your "green bar" go down (when it would if you were 5th Dan though.) So eventually you will end up ranked about where you belong.

PLUS... People are getting better as a whole. There's inflation of skill in our little economy so being 5th Dan now is probably MUCH harder than it was during the first few weeks the game was out. In another two months getting to, and maintaining, 5th Dan is probably going to be even harder... This is just MHO.

 

I have to disagree for two reasons. First, every promotion/demotion puts you back at 50% bar, so your concept of sharing green points around doesn't quite work. Every time rank changes, you get this magical bonus of extra points to share with everyone, so the game isn't limiting how high you can rank in the way that you're implying.

Second, I think people are ranking up much faster than they're getting better. That is, last week I was completely stuck at 4th dan, couldn't be a single 5th dan I met online, matches weren't even close (though, oddly I was beating lots of 7th dans, which was annoying). Now, a week later, having not played at all, I logged on last night, and crushed every single 5th dan I met, and easily ranked up. I think what happened is all the japanese players had just gotten online last week, and many were really good, but really low ranked. They kept ranking up past me, and I couldn't beat a single one. Now they're probably all masters, and the people who really deserve to be 5th dans are occupying that rank, which gives me a fighting chance.

So, I think it's actually a lot easier to rank up now than it was the first few weeks. I remember the first couple days when Konjou was still just a 5th dan... it was an intense struggle just holding onto 1st dan for a little while there.

 

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I've gone up as high a 6th and all the way down back to 4th (then, finally back up to 5th) over a two or three day span. The bar doesn't always go down to half when you lose a ranking match, I know that for a fact.