Q:How many frames/fields/hz do u hold for.......

for a TAP turn in to a HOLD?
in to?
sorry lame q but id liek to know
an does it differ in diferent versions?

 

I don't think the frame information for that is available, but 1/60ths site is the one place you might find it. If I had to guess I'd say at least ten frames. It might be different for different moves. For getting into a crouch so you can do a from crouch move, it is probably not the same as holding forward to get . You can buffer the F in F+P while doing another move but you cannot buffer a from crouch move by holding D during something else.

 

Easy method to get round that is to QCF or you can start from , to save frames.

 

Don't you mean for QCF? That's actually not a QCF either come to think of it.

QCF: - no substitute
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I'm almost positive that as long as you don't input and other buttons at the same time, it turns into .

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After anymove, as long as you buffer in the command, and keep it held down, it becomes .

For example, like Akira's ++ being used, and then holding directly from it, and then pressing punch will give you a . But putting the stick in nuetral and then inputting will result in the elbow, a very different effect.

 

listen i know about this, im just askin' how many FRAMES is it till it turns in to a hold! hell if i was bothered i could work it out in training, but as i thought u all study frames u would know, obviusly not, i'll find out later
just wanted to know out of curiosity

 

The technique I'm describing doesn't use crouch dashes. Jacky has , which will result in his two variables depending on which foot is forward but to get the +, (the one that looks like Akira and Kage's ,) you have to hold forward which can waste frames depending on what move you want to punish. If you do,+ as soon as possible it works.

 

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say one frame... cause if you look at the input display in training mode .. take akira's knee.. you can do the knee successfully if the is held for only 2 frames. So in this case the turns into a held down input after the first frame. I'm going to say (assume) that this applies for directional input as well. So after the first frame of , as long as the direction is not changed it becomes a . But really, if you held down , you really did instead..
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I don't know... if the turned into after one frame, then for example, Jacky's elbow would very often come out as his moving forward jab, no?

 

On 1/60, There is something in Jeff's movelist that suggests that turns into after 9 frames:

This refers to his upper kick (or standing kick), modified by moving forward. The Command column reads:
"(To lever 6 input of 9 frames or more) + K"

I assume this means that if you press forward and hit kick within 9 frames of the 'pressing forward', you get his knee, but if you hold it for 9 frames you get his walking upper kick (which, incidentally, seems to be only -1 on block, vs. -6 unmodified).

I don't know if any of this makes sense, or if i'm reading it wrong, or if it's only specific to this move.

P.S. sorry about the translation... i think sometimes that babelfish's trabslations need translating.

 

In the case of holding forward and turning + to , I think it's dependent on the character and the move you are doing. For example, Jacky's + elbow will execute if you input and hold forward and input within 7 frames. On 1/60 it's denoted by the number in the parenthesis. 6(7)+. So in this case I would assume his will execute as long as you have held for at least 7 frames. In the case of Jeffery, like you said, Jeffery's would require 9 frames or more to execute that move. Although his knee is 6(7)+K. This is a special exception I think. I guess it's safe then to assume for , the norm is 7 frames.

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