Someone answer my shun question

Shun's sabaki ...i've done it before, but any stratagies on where to use it, since it has such a small window...and where can i get a faq on understanding that - 1 advantage when you block such and such an attack...you know that whole thing. /versus/images/icons/confused.gif /versus/images/icons/grin.gif /versus/images/icons/confused.gif

 

A FAQ on frame advantage? First off, read the system section in general VF4 FAQ (the big one), you can find it on gamefaqs.com.

FRAMES:
If you block a move that has eg. -5 frames on , it means your character is 5 frames ahead of opponent. Thus your with 12 frames of execution becomes a 7 frame move if you execute it right away. As there are no moves faster than 7 frames (except canned string followups), you can safely. It's not guaranteed though... that'd require a move with at least -12 frames on - general rule: frame advantage must equal execution time for a move to be guaranteed. Same with advantage on normal hit and major counter (MC), when you're getting hit by opponent's move. If there's a +x in the movelist, it means opponent has the advantage after executing such art, sometimes even on - thus his/her moves' execution times become effectively shorter frame-wise. Hope that helped.

 

I don't think that's a Sabaki -- I've never sabaki'ed w/ it, and I've played Shun a lot.
The only Sabaki I can think of of Shun's is
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Is that really a sabaki... /versus/images/icons/laugh.gif
you have just made my day... /versus/images/icons/laugh.gif /versus/images/icons/grin.gif /versus/images/icons/laugh.gif

 

Off-Topic: Love your sig -nt-

 

Which part's the sabaki? The punch or the kick? Or both? Can't believe I never noticed it.

 

We are talking about the back-push, sweep? If a sabaki is
any move that has priority over a lot of other character moves,
that might be the case, but I thought it was only because of
where the elbow hits and the fact that Shun is low. But I can't
remember hearing any kind of scraping sound to indicate a sabaki.
Is this only in a certain situation, certain timing between the push
and whatever the opp. is throwing out there?

 

Apparantly so, although it's news to me. Also, even though it looks like a back/shoulder attack, it's a punch - or atleast has some punch qualities. Wolf can reverse in it.

 

db+P+K is the ugly turn away, then turn towards with two whirly punches move. It continues into a canned thrust punch that looks like a violent version of his basic standing jab. The db+PK itself looks like it should hit twice, but only hits once.

Now on the sabaki question, I tested it vs. jacky's puntkick and it is definitely a sabaki, with the record scratch noise and everything. However it only sabaki's very late, as shun turns back towards you with the whirly punches. It's a cute move though - if the opponent sees it and reacts by attacking, they probably will get sabaki'd, hit, and turned around. Unless their reflexes kick ass.

 

Wait a minute. Which move of Shun's is the sabaki now, the
d/b P, K which is the shoulder-elbow slam followed with the
slow sweep, or the d/b P+K which is the evade chop? I
thought Myke was clarifying that the backpush K is the sabaki.

 

Okay -- now we're on the same page. IF people bitch at me about not learning the names of moves (however wrong they may be) then I can bitch about horrible syntax -- especially since syntax is more universal.