throwing stomach crumbling opponents?

vanessa is the only one i think that can crouch catch throw a stomach crumbled opponent....

i've tried with wolf's giant toss but it doesn't work..... i haven't tried jeffery's crouch throw or aoi's crouch throw..... hmmmmm any ideas?

 

why not?
any one with low throws can do it

 

hmmmm well maybe i wasn't close enough or didn't do the crouch throw fast enough........ is there any video clips showing this? well i'll try again tomorrow

 

Stomach Crumple/KD is open to low throws. Aoi, Jeffrey, Vanessa, etc.... You name the low throw, it will work on the stomach crumple, and all your opponent can do is input the escape command or suffer (or maybe discover a weakness in a low throw resulting position?).

And of course you can do other things too.

-Chanchai

 

Anyone with low throws can do it. Just enter in the throw when you see the KD animation. I've seen 3 different people doing this in Boston. Rich and Hyun with Jeffry and Shang with Aoi, although Shang usually goes for a combo. Don't dash, just enter in the throw and Jeff/Aoi will warp to their opponent.

 

ok thanks everyone. i think i just have been corrected for the third time! hehe..

 

Look in the VF4 Jeffry Questions thread--there are basically three types of KD. Only the stomach one will get you a low throw.

Maybe we need a terminology for distinguishing which is which? HKD, MKD, LKD maybe?

 

Fall down animations

No, there's only one crumple (KD) animation. And it can always be low thrown.

The following is a list of knockdown situations. I could be missing some, but I don't think so.

1. <font color=orange>Normal</font color=orange> - can be techrolled.

2. <font color=orange>Crumple</font color=orange> - Cannot be techrolled. Opponent hugs their guts and crumples slowly to the floor. Can be low thrown. Ex: Akira's SDE (MC), Jeff's f+P+K, etc.

3. <font color=orange>Slam</font color=orange> - cannot be tech rolled, guaranteed pounce. Ex: Pai's KK, Wolf and Jeff's b+P, Wolf's f+PP, Lion's df+PP, etc.

4. <font color=orange>Sit down</font color=orange> - kinda like Akira's SgPm animation from VF2. The opponent falls back onto their ass and then get up. Ex: Wolf's f+K+G

5. <font color=orange>Pop up</font color=orange> - after knocking an opponent into the sit down animation, some moves will pop the oppponent back up. This can be high thrown. Ex: Wolfs b+P after sit down from f+K+G, *df+P

6. <font color=orange>Hand down</font color=orange> - sometimes sweeps and certain low attacks will not knock down and will cause the opponent to essentially put a hand down before immediately getting back up. I'm not sure of the conditions for this. Ex: Lion's two footed sweep, Wolf's f,d+K, Akira's df+P+K, etc.


So, there's no need to create new terminology - the fall downs are all pretty self-explanatory and have quite distinct animations.

cheers,

 

The worst is when you are playing with Shun against Jeff and he does this. So you think I'll input the low throw escape of d+p+k+g cause he uses that alot. But to your suprise he does not low throw on purpose so that you drink. He then hits a Mc knee combo. I hate Jeff

 

worse yet, I think d+P+K+G in VF4 causes Shun to get into his new stance. P+K+G by itself allows him to drink.

But I see what you're saying. However, i guess that's why I generally stay out of Jeffry's throw range and leave the throw escaping to moments where the escaped is buffered in.

-Chanchai

 

Oops, VF3 flashback sorry about that. Actually now that I think about it that new stance leaves you back turned so he could potentially get a backthrow. Of course you could always hit p,p to cancel out of the move and hit him. What the hell is d+p+k+g called anyway?

I think you should be able to buffer the throw escape from the KD animation right. So would holding the guard after the throw escape prevent the d+p+k+g animation from coming out? Or does that only work on preventing throw whiffs from coming out?

 

I made a mistake.

d+P+K+G is sit down. u+P+K+G is new stance. My bad/versus/images/icons/tongue.gif

As for when you're in KD, inputting the low throw escape is easy enough and you can't really do anything else anyways (until the moment where you hit the ground in which you can struggle to get up or lie there for a bit longer).

As for holding Guard... Nah, in this case, Shun will sit down anyways, but he can't be low thrown from there anyways. More on holding Guard in a bit...

I should also add that in my experiences, I've hardly had a Jeffry player use d+P+K+G. Much more common for me is to escape with f+P+K+G or the overly used df+P+K+G. I still get caught by d+P+K+G every now and then, but I just don't encounter it nearly as much as the other low throws.

Regarding your inquiry about holding Guard, it's unnecessary unless you want to block after coming out with whatever your character will come out with using d+P+K+G. For most charactes, you get a low punch, so it's sort of a built in option selet anyhow. For Shun, you'll sit down and if you sit down before your opponent goes for a low throw, I'm sure you can low kick, tumble kick, or drink just fine. However, if your character has a low throw with that command, then you may have a problem and may as well use some of the other option select options, but I think you might generally be screwed. I don't think holding Guard will help. I'm sure of it/versus/images/icons/wink.gif

So.... holding Guard doesn't matter all that much unless your intentions are to block afterwards.

In VF3, holding Guard while inputting a high throw escape during a dodge worked to just cancel the throw whiff and nothing more aside from blocking your opponent if they didn't use a quick enough attack to hit you.

-Chanchai

 

d+P+K+G is sit down. u+P+K+G is new stance. My bad

Nah, you were right the first time. d+P+K makes Shun sit (try saying that 10 times fast).

 

d+p+k+g or u+p+k+g are the new stance thingy either in or out of the screen. The sit down stance is d+p+k. About Jeff only using f+p+k+g yeah that is their favorite one. But Omaha Jeffrey mixes up really well. He uses all of the low throws and then he uses the knee in guaranteed throw situations about half the time it is really hard to guess right against him.

 

Re: Fall down animations

6. Hand down - sometimes sweeps and certain low attacks will not knock down and will cause the opponent to essentially put a hand down before immediately getting back up. I'm not sure of the conditions for this. Ex: Lion's two footed sweep, Wolf's f,d+K, Akira's df+P+K, etc.

Is there anything special about this situation? From what I can tell, it's just a particular hit-animation for all non-knockdown sweeps.

Argh... I'll tell you what's special... When jacky gets that "hand down" animation with his low backfist he can treat it like a stagger and try and throw (or elbow, etc) his opponent since the low backfist recovers reasonably quickly. Aoi however is in a bad way when she gets the "hand down" -- her sweep takes much longer to recover than Jacky's low backfist -- so I usually have to low punch after a sweep on a normal hit to defend myself. Damn Jacky!


kbcat -- sorry just bitter... Aoi is a tough road sometimes.

 

Re: Fall down animations

Is there anything special about this situation? From what I can tell, it's just a particular hit-animation for all non-knockdown sweeps.

I think I know the animation, the same as the animation that you get when Jacky low backfists you, correct? Which was previously reported as a stagger (which made me cry).

I think you're right, it's just an alternate animation for whirling attacks that hit the leg and don't knock down. It doesn't feel like there's any more or less hitstun.

 

Re: Fall down animations

Ok, I see where you're going with this - well, I guess it was just me then because I think of the stomach crumple when I read KD. The others I refer to as other fall downs. I had forgotten one though - the Flopping Face down falling animation after Jeff's b,f+P...

 

Re: Fall down animations

Hmm, you didn't check out the Jeffry thread did you? But, I was under the same assumption as you were, that KDs only referred to the stomach crumple (MKD) and the others were different types of staggers. It's all semantics really, but I figure if we're going to adopt a Japanese term for a KD situation, we should go all the way and use their entire definition (i.e. three types of KD: HKD, MKD, LKD).