What made Lion so strong in Version A of Evo

I remember shou or somebody saying he was stronger in Version A in Evo does anybody know why ?

 

literally strength - i think AM2 knocked off 10 - 20 odd damage of half his moves in ver.B.

btw - did lion have his UF+P+G in ver.A? or was that taken out in evo entirely..

 

Re: Lion..strong...LOL

Check the command list for Lion (ver. A) (it's not there)

there were two thread about A to B changes for Evo...
I'm sure they are obtainable with the search
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Version C to Evolution A

Lion: Much worse
Better: Catch throw, semi-useful new moves. Improved and throws.
Worse: Loss of recovery on long range attacks. Loss of + and second poke after sabaki.
Wish AM2: Made slightly combo-able? Weakened .

-taken right from Ice-9's above linked post
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Fresh Evo B changes thread and Updated ver. B changes thread
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Lion

Force guard between hits no longer occurs
Attack execution is corrected
Recovery on guard is extended, countering this move on guard is easier
Recovery on guard is extended, countering this move on guard is easier
Recovery on guard is extended, countering this move on guard is easier
Execution of attack is changed
Recovery on guard is changed
Recovery on guard is extended, countering this move on guard is easier
or This move does not track now, changed to a linear attack
Damage changed from 25->23
+ When hit on counter it does not knock down anymore
+ Damage changed from 24->20
+ Recovery on guard is changed
+ Damaged changed from 35->25
+ Hit detection duration is changed, made easier to hit an unsuccessful evade
+ Does not sober anymore
+ Recovery on guard is extended, counter this move on guard is easier
or+++ This Move now recovers standing
(Opponent behind) Recovery on guard is changed
+ Ability to hit opponent recovering in the air is changed
+ Recovery on guard is changed

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Srider's comments
Looks like lion is heavily toned down. Can't wait to see how chibita will handle the Ver B changes. <img src="/versus/images/icons/laugh.gif" alt="" />

-taken directly from Srider's post
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Lion

The Good:
f+P,P second punch comes out slightly faster (?).
f,f+P+K gives more advantage on MC (?).
b,b+K+G hits failed dodges more regularly now.
TT d+K is no longer throw counterable on block.
f,d/b+P+G is now a special high catch throw (will grab low punchers).
f,d/b+P+G,P,P,P is not throw counterable on guard anymore (?).

The Bad:
P,P,P string no longer forces block.
b,d/f+P is easier to punish when blocked.
d/f+P,P is easier to punish when blocked.
d/b+P is easier to punish when blocked.
d/b+P,P second punch comes out more slowly and is easier to punish when blocked.
K and F+K are linear.
f,f+K,K damage is now 23 instead of 25.
P+K damage dropped from 24 to 20.
b,f+K+G damage dropped from 35 to 25.
d/f+K+G does not sober Shun anymore.
d+K+G is easier to punish when blocked.

The ???:
f+P+K,K does not knock down on MC anymore. Something about it staggers or crumples now on MC.
u/f|d/f+P+K+G, P+K now recovers standing when blocked.

-taken directly from Nutlog's post
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hope this helps
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NOTICE THE NEATO RESULTS WHEN I USE THE SEARCH??? /versus/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

 

Based on my experience, the
+ is reduced and the + throw is removed.

The throw has higher probability of getting the opponent. Especially when both you and opponent are down to the last 20+ points on the lifebar. /versus/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Sg-Lion

 

He lost it as of Beta test #2 if I'm not mistake. A lot of characters got hosed at that test. /versus/images/graemlins/frown.gif