How do we use (while standing) P + K ?

This /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/d.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/n.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif + /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif i don t know what is this for ^^
By the way i m new here i m noob pai player and hope to learn a lot from u guys ^^

 

Re: How do we use ?

This is an anti-tech-roll and anti-evade technique. If you pick the direction and they tech-roll into the move you will throw them automatically.

For example, you float them and as they hit the ground they tech-roll into the background with /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/u.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif + /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif + /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif you would want to do your anti-tech-roll move into the background too ( /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/u.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif + /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif) and they will roll into you and you will automatically slam them down with a throw.

It's good if you can predict which way they will roll or if they always roll the same direction you can make them pay.

It will also work they same way against evades to either side. Just do the move to the side they evade to and you will catch them.

 

Re: How do we use ?

Welcome to the forums.

There's already a thread about this, 5 threads below.

http://virtuafighter.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/ubb/showflat/Number/185325#Post185325

People are more likely to help you learn if you look around for your answer before posting a new thread.

 

Re: How do we use (while standing) P + K ?

Sorry, looks like I jumped to conclusions - should have read your post more carefully.

looks like you mean

HiEnTenShinShou (while standing) P+K

not the techroll trip as gernburgs thought.

I personally didn't use while standing P+K much when i played pai, but I'm sure some others can jump in with uses for it.

 

Re: How do we use (while standing) P + K ?

re /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/d_.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/n.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif:

You can use really however you'd like. It can be use to come out from an approaching crouch dash (/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif) and can simply be part of a flow chart to keep your opponent guessing. On normal hit, it's +4 and that's what makes it useful. Following up with a sweep or midkick (BT /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif) is a nice guessing game, as the midkick is fast (15 frames) and will CH a low punch from the opponent.

Other than that, it's used in floats. A common lightweight combo from the VF4:FT days was: CH /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/d_.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif -> /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif -> /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/n.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif -> /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif. I still do it from time to time against lightweights, as it's a bit different and fun.

 

Re: How do we use (while standing) P + K ?

on CH it staggers long enough to (usually) hit your K floater (from back-turned) Pai is vicious from back-turned. You can sweep when they expect the kick, for a decent and simple mix-up.

It's 1 frame slower than the other mid hit from crouching, /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/d_.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif. That one is the one most people swear by from crouching, because it also floats on counter hit. Personally I am in the habit of using the one you brought up, and I love it. However, it is reversible and sabaki-able, so don't become predictable with it. Trust me.

I used to spam, but now use sparingly, /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/d.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif, /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/n.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif + /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif, then flowchart out to the /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif or the /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/d.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif. Especially good against people who seem to constantly attack. (Lei Fei noobs AHEM)

If the kick hits, go for the simple /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif, and if the sweep hits you may get some /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/uf.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif + /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif floor bounces in, then maybe a pounce if you threw off their rising timing.

There's WAY more but this is the 101 course /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

 

Re: How do we use (while standing) P + K ?

The other? Pai's moves from crouch are only:

neutral P+K (topic of this thread)
b+P
f+P
b+K
neutral K

What's this f+P+K you speak of, 75? /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif To me this will simply be a high punch|kick inashi.

 

Re: How do we use (while standing) P + K ?

pretty sure he meant /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/d_.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif, given the "float on counter hit" /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/wink.gif

 

Re: How do we use (while standing) P + K ?

Yes a typo. Sorry! I meant /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/d_.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif I corrected my original post.

 

Re: How do we use (while standing) P + K ?

The question kinda confused me, because a P+K 'while standing' is still P+K. I think the Command List meant "while rising".

 

Re: How do we use (while standing) P + K ?

I agree with you there. The command is always called 'While Standing' or 'WS' on VFDC but I always refer to these moves as 'Rise' and have done since the very beginning.

I find 'WS' mis-leading and so must Namco and Sega - as in the actual game's command lists it's almost always 'While rising', 'Rise' or 'Whilst rising from a crouch'.

I vote for it be renamed 'WR' and change 'Rising kicks' to 'Get up kicks'.

 

Re: How do we use (while standing) P + K ?

While Standing. While in the process of standing. While Rising. While in the process of rising i.e. means getting up from being on the ground. Always has been this term.

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Re: How do we use (while standing) P + K ?

It's only been this term on the Internet (VFDC, Tekken Zaibatsu). On the games or in the instructions, getting up from crouch is always referred to as rising. And as Cruz said - whilst standing could mean neutral, like at the start of a round. Technically (for example), Wolf's dragon fish blow's command is - While you are standing /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif.

 

Re: How do we use (while standing) P + K ?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It's only been this term on the Internet (VFDC, Tekken Zaibatsu).</div></div>

Oddly enough, we were the ones with more notations, more documentation, more information overall than (english speaking) Sega ever did in North America when we came up with the terms. They're our terms and they've been around a heck of a lot longer than Sega's ingame text.

Sorry, but I'm a hard ass for terminology, especially the request to change things that have been a constant in the english speaking VF community forever. Honestly, if we raised this particular request (WR instead of WS and "Get up Attacks" instead of Rising) outside of this thread, I'd recommend you getting your bullet proof vest on first /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

 

Re: How do we use (while standing) P + K ?

LLANFAIR HATES CHANGE!! lol.

I got your back,llan!

GE

 

Re: How do we use (while standing) P + K ?

haha thx /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

No, it's not that I hate change. It's that I think change should come from a problem requiring a solution. I don't see the terminology failing after years of being successful in describing moves that are executed from a crouch.

 

Re: How do we use (while standing) P + K ?

Yes I know it won't change now after all this time, but it just seems to have been named (slightly) wrong in the first place.

If VF6 introduces a new term into fighting games, let's have a poll for the correct way to name it and then no one can complain. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif

 

Re: How do we use (while standing) P + K ?

i love that move, i actually work it from a BT mix-up (WHAT? YOU CAN DO THAt!?!?!?)

 

Re: How do we use (while standing) P + K ?

You mean you turn around while crouching, and come back up with the P+K?