Kage OTGs?

what are some good ways to punish people that dont tech roll? still new to the character thanks!

 

There is a reset possiblity with 2 P+K, it can be used as 2p+k~shippujin stance switch, 3p, dragon kick (46k+g,kk) with the opponent having the chance to tech again after each section, which can be used as a reset to re tech punish. If they dont this "combo" is brutal otg dmg.

As myke stated, if 2p+k whiffs due to fast tech,shippujin stance switch into 3p will beat out most of the time, and can often catch a failed evade after tech roll, I used to threaten Shippu 6p for evaders, but 3p seems to catch a failed evade due the timing of the stance switch, of course an opponent who dash cancels thier failed evades wont walk into this launch.

 

2k

thats right 2k is Kage's secret OTG move.

example , 2k+g scored a knockdown(not CH), but nothing can follow up for OTG!, untill...2k use 2k (immediately) and it "frees up" the otg now, so after 2K+g knockdown, 2k, 2p+k ...etc.

there were three specific knockdowns that 2k would unlock otg for , but i cant remember the other 2 right now, will report back.

p.s. 2k+g knockdown from max distance will cause 2k to whiff, although dash into 2k has worked for some longer range knockdowns, where dash in 2p+k whiffed.

 

If 2P+K whiffs (the opponent techs) you are at big disadvantage.
Infact if the opponent techs in the very first frames he can punish you with PK even if you go for the K followup.
Obv the opponent has to tech on the very first frames, recognize you whiffed 2P+K and react accordingly so being thus tight in practice your K follow up beats PK.

BUT if you go into shippujin you can avoid the PK punishment at the risk of being punished hard (launched).
This gimmick can work if the opponent doesn't know how to react and so loses frames and/or make the wrong choice.
Of course the opponent has to take a hard read and if you just evade after the 2P+K you'll punish him big time (launcher).

The hard read your opponent has to make to punish your 2P+K (whiff) > shippujin is character specific and some of them can be made whiffed completely if you just walk backwards after entering shippujin.

depending on the charachter's weight even if you got them with OTG 2P+K the followup K is not guaranteed.

A safer route against those laying on the ground is

2P+K > hit confirm it > A/B

A) on hit > wait/K~G > 3K (unscaled damage) > very good oki setups (you can make whiff all wakeup attacks)

B) on whiff (opponent techs) > choose your next option (evade, shippujin 3P/6P, shippujin back walk etc) based on your opponent.


On certain character and specific short combos you can OTG with 2P, not that great but it's safe 100% (you're still at disadvantage) and can hit confirm it in your next option

7K is an OTG too and creats space but it can be punished with a medium/long range move