4,3+P Major Counter

When hits as a Major Counter the most obvious guaranteed damage is (double palm) which does 67 damage.

(MC) leaves you +14, the double palm has 13 starting frames, so it will connect.

You get 67 damage and the double palm knocks your opponent down. So you can attempt to press an advantage after the knockdown.

However after hit as a Major Counter there is another guaranteed followup which is .

Using gives you 69 damage, and leaves you +4.

So the trade of doing 2 points more damage and being at +4 is that you lose the knockdown.

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If this has been discussed merge or delete.

 

You should be able to (neutral) & do standing palm combo at +14. Test and confirm...

 

Not after counter hit , the move leaves you crouching so standing palm will take 15 frames to come out.

 

I thought the wasted frame was always there in situations like this, there was a thread not long back where you and others were discussing the same thing. Maybe I misunderstood it all :facepalm emoticon:

 

If a move is listed as 14 frames in the commands section then doesn't that mean 14 frames of start up? So it connects on the 15th frame?

That means that at +14 a command with 14 frames of start up will not connect.

 

I haven't tested - but how do PK and 46P hit after an MC 43P? That move forces crouch.

 

I've been using PK as a followup since I picked up Akira during VF4:EVO. It easily connects. It's probably the hitbox. Akira's standing kick hits very low as you can tag opponents low on the ground after wall hits.

b,f+p I cannot for the life of me get to connect after b,df+p MC.

 

I got around to testing the theoretical followup & couldn't get it to work either.

All other things being equal, PK is the best followup. Thanks for pointing this out empnova.

 

I can't believe no one pointed this out earlier. I've been sitting on b,df+p MC -> PK since VF4:EVO came out.

 

I tested this a bit. My conclusion: I think theres an error in the movelist and Akiras is actually +13 on MC.

My reasoning is that Akira has a simple 14 frame attack that is his low kick Yet it doesnt combo after the slam. I don't think that moves speed is listed wrong because I have had proof from elsewhere that it would indeed, be that fast.

His standing kick is also 14 frame and it doesnt combo either.

Doublepalm from crouch is 13 and PK is 11 frames. These moves combo no problem.

Im certain that it is possible to buffer moves without wasting frames, yet I cannot pull off the standing palm via buffered after the MC slam either. One more reason to believe that the advantage is actually +13.

 

I'm not sure how this works either - however, I do know 14 frame moves combo in the lifebar.

For instance, I tested Jeffry's Heel Droop into Chokeslam, which comboed once in a very long while as an actual 3 hits. Most of the time, it connected separately but showed the lifebar as comboing both. It is +15 and the chokeslam is 15 frames with a 66 input. Akira's 66kk after 43p CH also did the same thing.

Interesting, moves like 1k and neutral k also only show in the lifebar, so perhaps it is something up with Dojo, but I'm not really sure.

 

What exactly are you trying to say? If the move doesnt increase the combo counter, it doesn't combo.

 

If u connect with the last bits of the activation phase, more advantage is granted. Jeffry's heeldrop has a rosie o'donell's ass-sized window.

I think akiras 43p MC is +13 on the first active frame, so if it hits later it'll give more advantage.

You can crush risers with that move right? that's the best way to test to see if something like 46p will combo for you.

 

Thats a good point, I forgot about that. It should still be fixed in the command list though to +13.

has only two active frames though.

 

Whoops, I guess I worded it poorly. If you do a 14f move buffered asap (such as 66kk) after 43p CH, it should show as a combo in the lifebar (both moves connect one after the other). I however have not tested if you can block or not.

 

I think the way the move is animated (overhead) its very possible that can hit slighly later on lower opponents but idk.