4,3+P Major Counter

IIRC 66kk does combo in the lifebar in dojo.

 

I would appreciate if you wouldn't use the abbreviation "IIRC" in here.

And you're wrong, it doesn't combo. With CH that is.

 

Am I?

Buffer faster.

For the lifebar indicates a combo of about 80, but the little counter indicates 2 hits & 40 dmg.

Why the numbers don't jive I can't say. Maybe those are the numbers for crouching normal hit? Perhaps someone has some insight. Training mode/dojo often does weird stuff for one reason or another.

MC is 57 & crouching MC is 46 or 47 so it isn't that.

I used IIRC because I didn't have the console in front of me & I couldn't recall any specifics. I hope you and others can bear with me in the future when I use IIRC as a disclaimer for information I'm fuzzy on which people may be interested in investigating for themselves. This isn't anyone's dissertation after all.

In any event, you have to buffer DJK so fast(if it does, in fact, combo) that I doubt you can hit check the counter 43p & go for it safely.

edit: not that it should matter but tests were conducted vs lei

 

K. Iono. Checkd wit muh BFF. Sup. WTF? Wat U think bout IIRC on VFDC? Aight? STFU DUDE! TTYL Melon Farmer.

 

Opponent Standing:
(MC) (67 damage, knockdown)
(MC) (69 damage, +4 advantage)

Opponent Crouching:
(MC) (62 damage, knockdown)
(MC) (64 damage, +4 advantage)

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Followups from (MC) that failed to combo:

(DE fails to combo, hits opponent causing stagger)*
(SDE fails to combo, hits opponent causing knockdown)**
(Renkantai fails to combo)***
(standing kick fails to combo)****
(low kick fails to combo)*****

*A normal hit Dashing Elbow does 20 damage and staggers crouching opponents. An MC Dashing Elbow does 30 damage. After b,df+p (MC) an immediate Dashing Elbow causes the opponent to stagger and take 20 damage (normal hit). If you set the CPU in training mode to counter hit then immediately perform a dashing elbow after the MC overhead the DE doesn't combo nor does it hit as a Major Counter.

**Super Dashing Elbow does the same as above except that it knocks the opponent down. SDE on normal hit knocks crouching opponents down.

***Rekantai hits as a Major Counter if you set the CPU to counter hit and then try f,f+kk after an MC overhead.

****Standing kick hits as a Major Counter and causes a knockdown.

*****Low kick hits as a normal hit (10 damage) but does not combo.

So some followup moves do not show up on the combo counter in training mode yet don't hit as a Major Counter even though the CPU is set to counter hit.

As much as I tried I could not get DE, SDE, or Renkantai to connect after an MC overhead. I have solid execution so I'm inclined to believe that those will not connect even with the best execution.

Standing kick is 14 frames, if an MC overhead is +14 then standing kick should connect, but it does not combo. It connects as an MC hit if done immediately. However low kick if done immediately, another 14 frame move, connects as a normal attack. I've been absent from VF for the last two years or so I'm not understanding exactly what's going on here. Can someone enlighten me as to why one 14 frame move connects differently than another?

Everything was tested on El Blaze, Aoi, and Wolf.
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Considering that the followups in my first post are technically combos should they not be added to the combo section for VF5 Akira?

 

I meant use of iirc as in "I didnt actually test this stuff"

If would combo, explain to me why a simple DOESNT combo even though they are same speed and no chance of wasted frames either?

Well you could make a video of it, of course, then I would shut up.

 

The lifebar is lazy and is not to be trusted in most cases.

We should be looking at the combo counter. The only exception that I accept are backturned combos that may combo and not show on combo counter because opponent actually recovers but is unable turn around in time to block.

 

If those combo, then
(CH) -> -> followup
would propably also combo.

Akiras is also a 14f attack.

As for the you sure you didnt press forward during it? As afaik it slows the attack down. For many characters is different attack from .

 

What? According the VF5 version C command list for Akira it's a 14 frame attack.

 

has a 16 frame EXE according to the command list

 

I was talking about this actually.

 

Because its hundred times easier? And no, it doesnt result in a doublepalm. Its in my opinion standard method for performing standing moves from crouching with for instance Sarah combo
CH FL -> -> -> -> As for wasting frames or not I cannot say as I cant test this stuff solo..

Your effort is however appreciated, thank you.

 

The connection I’m seeing is that 14f or less Mid hits from (which is a mid itself) on major counter hit will combo, and highs or lows like or / won’t.
I think the reason for this might be related to the or , side step option that follows on from ; is this mid finish position for Akira, an option select limitation of the move? or alternatively is there a 1f defensive (fuzzy)advantage for high/low guard for opponent as they recover from mid?

I would suggest that to remove ambiguity from attack, that a fastest input of (counter hit),, or
(counter hit),, might work, but something makes me doubt that either these inputs would combo.

Similar to the input lockout that follows Akira’s +, where buffering is impossible until the opponent reaches (or is near) maximum height, I think that any move that isn’t mid hitting from will lose frame/s while Akira has to waste frame/s transitioning from a mid finishing position to a low or high position, implying that only ~13f or less high or low will combo on a counter hit.

Obviously without the ability to test with a real opponent, this is just hypothesis for others here to correct. But it does seem like there is a special case or animation issue as to why some high/low moves that should combo from this situation, seemingly don’t.

 

Yes because I can't do the latter more than 1 out of 15 tries. (With failure resulting in a double palm) The former has 100% success rate.

Like I said, I didn't know for sure whether or not using dash to buffer standing moves from crouching wastes frames or not. This is like the only example that comes into my mind where wasting that 1 frame is crucial.

It's in my opinion not even necessary that it would, because all that matters is to tell the game what input we want to do, not whether or not the character is actually standing. The only REASON why we need this, is if there exists a FC move with the same input that the move we want to perform from standing. You can do from crouching and it ends up in a standing punch. Theres no need for 1 frame to stand up as far as I know.

I am not blessed with programmable joysticks or a supply of helpers, Im just trying to go forward with reasoning so sorry if I cause unnecessary 'effort' :S

 

This is the same as his