9K+G, uses and combos

Hello everyone,

I was in Dojo today and tried BlackBookCombos and other stuff. I came across /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/uf.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif and tried the following combo:
/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/uf.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif - BT/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/d.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif - /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif - /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif
It is a combo with nice damage but after /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/uf.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif the opponent can struggle out.
Since the /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/uf.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif is rarely used it can cause suprise and maybe the opponent cannot react so fast.
What are your ideas on this move/combo ?

Jemun

 

/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/uf.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif-BT/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/d.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif

for light characters+jacky+lei+blaze:
/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif

for mid - kage :
/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif

the problem with the /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif is that it wont hit all characters
and often you could do bigger damage

for heavys + akira:
/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif

for lau:
shoulder!

or you could do /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif to get a nice wake up game

This needs some further testing, sorry

 

Every idea is welcome. I will test the stuff you posted. But my original combo is nice on counter hit. 90 damage, but like I said, I will try your combos.

 

I really like the flying kick. But when it comes down to a real fight there is never an occasion where I'd use it except against throw-happy chars.

 

Does it jump over lows?

 

It's anti-nitaku so it won't clash with a throw at all. If they are going to throw you and you hit them with it, Jemun's combo he listed is really good. Basically, you turn their throw attempt into a 70 dmg combo if you can predict it. If they jab into throw every time you can kill them with 9K+G pretty effectively.

 

How does this work for oki? How do you use it for your wake up game???

Please tell me, this sounds interesting...

 

What, how is this supposed to give you a wake-up game? It's high and leaves you backturned. Do you mean if the opponent techrolls, or what?

 

I really like Anarkira's combos after 9K+G:
/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/uf.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif > BT /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/d.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif > /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif (you must be in BT 2P range though)

But personally, I'd go for a 270° throw after 9K+G most of the time (whether ON HIT or BLOCK).

 

Using /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif at the end of combos allows you to set up for Goh's back turned game if they tech roll. For example...

/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif -> /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/d_.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif -> /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif -> /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+ /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif -> /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif

Then they tech roll, you back dash while still back turned and you get a free back turned mixup. If they don't tech you can just turn around...

 

Back to my question: Does it jumps over lows? Sorry, but I had no chance to test it out so far.

 

It hits high so even if it does jump lows it won't hit them if they're ducking...

 

Oh yeah, should have thought of that. Anyway, after you jumped over you are BT. Any tactics for that situation?

 

You always go into BT after 9K+G so you always have your BT P+K and BT P+G mix-up.

Goh is a serious hand-full from Back-Turn too. Black book calls BT his "lifeline" so it's a great mix-up...

 

How the hell do you get this to hit? whats the best set up?

 

Only time I use it is if I'm really, really, really, really sure they're going to throw.

 

Goh Anti-Nitaku...

Yesterday I was using /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif + /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif as anti-nitaku to great effect. Because it ducks highs, if you do it against a predicted throw, you will quickly duck the throw and juggle your opponent into the air... From there you get an easy 59 damage combo ( /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif> /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif + /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif...

I also feel like it's a little safer option as anti-nitaku than /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/uf.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif + /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif just because it can't be ducked and it avoids high attacks as well as the throw. Just seems to be a nice option to have to me.

I do think this move will clash with a throw but if you use it at the right time you will just duck the throw and punch their outstretched hands for a nice combo opportunity.

^Just for info and discussion purposes...

 

Re: Goh Anti-Nitaku...

In VF, nitaku usually refers to choosing between a throw and a mid move. It's also normally discussed in reference to a disadvantaged situation. In that case /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif should clash with throws or you'll get CH by your opponents mid.

You can certainly use /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif to great effect if you KNOW a high is coming. If you're hitting someone out of a throw animation, your opponent is likely using some randomly timed throw and started it way before or way after you executed /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif.

 

Re: Goh Anti-Nitaku...

Yes, you are right Plague... I guess anti-nitaku is not the word I'm looking for. I just ducked so many throws with /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif + /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif yesterday I figured I'd throw it out there for discussion.

But you are right, I was using against predicted throws and highs, not so much from a deep disadvantage. It is pretty hard for them to clash this attack with a throw however because it comes out slow enough that they've usually whiffed the throw over your head by the time /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif + /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif becomes active...

But, yes, you have to predict the throw or high to use /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif + /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif to beat it...

 

grade A bullshit there mate, /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/uf.gif + /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif + /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif leaves you backturned, how can you 270 throw out of backturned?

n00b