Active throw windows

Although I can't prove it, nor point to any supporting info, I believe that all regular throws in VF5 had an active window of 1 frame.

 

Really? I always thought i was much larger. Like 4 or 5 frames. My reasoning for this is those occations where you stand up into the throw. If the window was only 1 frame i would think this wouldn't happen very often, as the odds would be quite long.

There must be some way of testing this without a progammable input device. Any ideas?

 

I thought i took 7 frames to become crouching and 7 to become standing, so long as you're not being attacked. When you attacked you instantly stand or crouch. In that case from the frame you become crouching there are 6 more frames before you're standing again. This means throws could have a longer window.

 

I'm not saying i'm definately right, just playing devils advocate. -6+6 frames to crouching state. So you're crouching at 12 frames when the throw becomes active. But can't CD fuzzy avoid a throw at -5? If it can, then doesn't that show that pressing G doesn't automatically put you in standing state without an attack as if it did you'd get thrown if you CD fuzzy from -5?

I'm confused. someone help lol

 

During the early VF5 days, it was assumed/tested or reconfirmed that pressing to instantly stand or crouch is directly dependent on opponent's action (ie throw or strike). So yes, to both of your questions. Depending on your opponent's action it will take either 6-7 frames to switch from standing <-> crouching (opponent throws) or instantly 1 frame (opponent strikes)

Wiki Crouch section quick summary

Are you still confused?

 

No, thats perfect Akai. Confirmation of what i thought.

Throw window question is still there. And i still don't think it's only 1 frame.

 

If all throws have greater than 1 active frame window than a relatively simple test is:

Requires opponent with low throws.
1. You input an attack that recovers standing. Opponent guards against strike
2. Opponent attempts low throw (executes 12 frame). You press (will be in crouch state at 7 frames).

Based on what we know of the game mechanics, at -5 or less disadvantage, you will get low throwed.

At -6 frame disadvantage, you get low throwed if throws have more than one active frame. You will not get low throwed if throws have just one active frame.

 

yes, but I think Marlyjay states all throws have more than one active frame?

You can also do something similar by using low striking attacks that recover crouching against standard high throws to test active frame windows for a throw.

 

No I actually just meant the standing ones. Sorry, for not being clear. I don't have any ideas about low throws. I just don't use them enough. Still, there is no reason for normal and low throws to have the same window, other than the fact that it would make sense. Not much of an indicator of anything in VF5.

Can you set the cpu to block low and then respond with a throw? If so i'll see if I can give it a go.

 

I don't think there is many attacks that recover crouching that gives -6 disadvantage on block. Thus, I suggested doing test for low throws.

Low punch gives -5 on block, so based on what we know, opponent should be able to grab you with a standard throw after guarding attack.

What I would do (and maybe I will try it tonight) is have two controllers very close to me:

1. 1P get a normal hit with most characters (many of them should be -6 on normal hit and recovers crouching.
2. After hit, 2P attempts standing throw (macro a button to make it easy to press).

 

Eileens 3P+K recovers crouching and is -6 on block. I'll try that if i can get the cpu to block low. Maybe i'll ask my flatmate to help as we both have the day off tomorrow.

 

After doing some tests-low punch guarded (-5, thrown), eileen's 3P+K guarded (-6, whiffed), and Pai's 1K normal hit (-6, whiffed)-standard high throws appear to have only 1 active frame.

Just some VF quirks that I don't fully understand: You still have to press to immediately (7 frames total) stand up from crouch, relative to opponent's throw attempt, or your character will stay crouched for an unknown amount of time before standing up on its own. The same goes for standing to crouching.

 

Just +. Doing more complicated throw inputs is quite difficult for one person with two controllers.

 

Just giving it a go. I've set the cpu to block low and then respond with a throw. I've been caught by giant swing, jackets hammer and his hcb throw so far. Neutral throw always wiffs.