here's a question: akira's case: I've known this for a long time and i beleive 100% that this is guaranteed, BUT i'm asking this just cause I might of being wrong all this time about it. just to put the nail in the coffin. ok, when reversing akira's b,f+pg.....run...back thow akira is garanteed right? im 100% sure it is, but what do you think? lion's case: now this I'm not sure about, Im 50% sure its guaranteed (yes, i messure everything in %'s, so what! ). its the same situation as akira's but im not sure if the timing is the same to back throw lion when you reverse his b+pg. i havent tested this one too much (next time we meet adam, we'll test), but i think......ah fuck it, i'll test it soon. anyway, if anyone knows for --SURE-- please share the info. please post ONLY IF YOU ARE SURE, no neutral posts like "i think it is/not, but im not sure". stuff like "well, the tb mook on page 877 says its is/not garanteed" is good since vf mooks are USUALLY right (read that: usually=not all the time), but its a good start. <font color=red>PICCOLO</font color=red> fuck spelling!