OK unlike my last post, I searched before asking... A popular combo with Akira seems to be b, d+P+G --> c-sglplm --> m-dblplm. I've heard even Chibita got "lazy" one time and got c-sglplm --> SPoD because he expected the "automatic" c-sglplm --> m-dblplm. Based on this story and movies I have seen (Daioh Ero 3-5 #2 esp.), c-sglplm --> m-dblplm must be a combo on some arcade version of VF4. However, I'm not convinced it is a combo on PS2. Granted I'm not the world's greatest at doing that particular set of motions (I know you have to buffer CD either forward or backward to do it) but I've done it pretty fast once or twice and have never had it combo on the counter. But what really does it for me is that moves that I can easily do much faster and easier and that seem to come out just as fast as the m-dblplm (such as f, f+K or f, f, f+P or b, f, f+P+K) never combo either. Am I just weak or was that a verB combo (PS2 is verC right)? Also, I have seen a movie (Yamiyodare vs Kyasao from TB Zone) where Yamiyodare does (with Jacky) P+K, P, K --> P, P, u+P. WTF!? I almost KNOW that isn't verC (if PS2 is C)! What is going on here? Last question: c-sglplm --> m-dblplm seems to do at most about 65 damage (30~32 + 30~32; these are just estimates). Isn't d/f, d/f+P --> LP --> m-dblplm just as, if not more, damaging (even with damage scaling)? Is m-dblplm really THAT fast?