All Round Escape (ARE)

I'm starting to feel like I need something more than a bachelor's to play VF.

 

Interesting. I'm assuming this has to be done quickly. How consistently does it work against strings?

 

2/8 p/k 33

here's the city cousin of that tech. This is only of use to characters with a fast FC move so jacky and kage get some power ups.


Same basic setup as Myke's post. You find yourself at medium disadvantage and want to avoid a guessing game of immediate attacks or throws from your opponent. In this case though you do things a little differently.

input a dodge ( or ), hit or and then input . You have 5 frames to input after the dodge to make this work so be fast.

What happens is that if your opponent attempts to attack you get a succesful dodge. If they try to throw you get to interrupt their attempt with a FC move. Pretty clever, eh? As odd as the sequence seems (button press before the CD to achieve a FC move) it has to be done this way or you won't get the desired results.

Apparently its an 8 month old tech so you all have some practicing to do to catch up.

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(Shou): try doing it with lau
(Shou): it's easiest to see if you mess up
(Shou): wrong = sidekick
(Shou): right = slight evade, then while rising k


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GE

 

Re: 2/8 p/k 33

The only thing that sucks is these moves are TOTALLY null and void for a slightly delayed attack. Jeff's knee, and Lei's + are two moves off the top of my head that will just own you all day long if you make these techs a habit.

 

advanced QR TR options

Basic idea behind this tech is that you are being pursued by the opponent as you Quick Rise or Tech Roll and want to safeguard yourself from frame specific reprisals.

once you've inputed the QR or TR immediately hold +. caveat: what 'immediately' means I don't know in terms of frames and this is valid against a 50/50 situation
1. if the opponent attacks you guard.
2. If the opponent attempts a catch throw your + will nail them.
3. If the opponent attempts a command throw (low or high) your + will nail them (remember that + throws beat command throws

The window is very small and once it is gone you are considered a standing non-defender (because you are holding +) and Yomi automatically becomes the order of the game.

If your opponent delays their options Yomi re-asserts itself. If you spend too long believing you are invincible you will be dead in short order. It is a hard tech and only really useful against people who are frame specific. After you've covered yourself for that short window you need to have the wits about you again to survive.

GE

 

Re: 2/8 p/k 33

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The only thing that sucks is these moves are TOTALLY null and void for a slightly delayed attack. Jeff's knee, and Lei's + are two moves off the top of my head that will just own you all day long if you make these techs a habit.

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that's actually the good thing. What would suck is if delays didn't re-assert the need for yomi.

and really, these techs don't suffer from the 'delay factor' any more than any other tech. E-TTE-G is similarily voided by an opponent who uses a circular attack or delays their throw or linear attack. That point is made with the use of the word "immediate Throw or attack"

GE

 

Re: 2/8 p/k 33

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and really, these techs don't suffer from the 'delay factor' any more than any other tech


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Agreed -- just seems like a lot more work to do to have a simple 5-6 frame delay carry you out. /versus/images/graemlins/smile.gif

 

Re: 2/8 p/k 33

Don't ignore the fact that this ARE technique is VERY hard to do......

It is potentially devastating given that 1) You can do this consistently, and 2) You do them in the right situations.. Which imo just makes this another advanced but very useful technique like EQTEG..

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Thanks for the info Myke. I think this technique is pretty similar to ECD --> FC move, only diff is that since you are essentially throwing out a low punch and not a 16 framish FC move, its safer and somewhat just as rewarding(due to the at the end).

But I was thinking, won't the player be screwed if the opponent countered with a mere low punch? The would still come out and it would whiff, leaving the player very vulnerable.

I think this technique's effectiveness depends much on the character being played. Its not really useful for some characters(eg. Kage) since they have much better alternatives. IMO.

 

You didn't understand the concept of this technique. It's not the same as throwing ECD While Standing attack. It is combining an evade with an attack. Which in effect will beat out any linear attacks and any throws at the same time, without having to guess which one the opponent will do. This means that at any situation where you are down a few frames, you can effectively become immune to any throw or any linear attack.

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Srider said:

It's not the same as throwing ECD While Standing attack.



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Errr... how can anyone "do ECD while standing attack"? I never said I could or would do it anyway.

Why don't you read my post properly before you mouth off?

 

"Since most (all?) mid attacks recover standing..."

What about:

Kage - +
Akira - +

Those are just of the top of my head though, I am not sure for any of the other characters. But not all MID level attacks recover in a high position.

 

Yeup, you're right. Also LeiFei's (apparantly unreversable) + and
Akira's

 

I may regret this, but, you did post (all?) making it look like a question.

On the contrary to your 'fastest mid' attack, I use slow mids quite frequently. If people ANTICIPATE a mid, and not read one, then a slower attack can often hit. In this case, I like to use
Aoi's +
Shun's + and
Kage's

And one of them finishes low. Also, they're also all un-counterable, so you won't necessarily get clobered when yer done.

I know I don't make up the VF populace, but was worth mentioning.

 

Well, just pretend like I said something that would counter it and you come back with something else.

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I think this technique is pretty similar to ECD --> FC move, only diff is that since you are essentially throwing out a low punch and not a 16 framish FC move,

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I did read your post, and I used while standing instead of FC. You might have misunderstood that. ARE is not at all the same as what you described in your post. You are NOT always throwing out a low punch when you perform ARE, and in Lau's case, you ARE performing his FC attack in the case where ARE beats a throw attempt. Sorry if I sounded weird. Myke's post is a bit misleading.. cause this technique can be used with attacks other than . /versus/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

What you described, ECD->FC move, if performed while you are behind something let say 6 frames, you will eat any kind of throw attacks being thrown at you, since you will not be able to cancel the evade fast enough. If you perform the ARE technique, you will beat any type of throw with a FC move, but if they did a linear attack, you will evade it. It's clear to see that you didn't fully understand the potential of this technique. It is much more superior to ECD->FC move. It may be hard to grasp this idea since it sounds too good to be true.

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